Armor is not carefully considered by artists

ghastlycomic

I always thought in terms of fantasy armour it would make sense for some magic users to have little to no armour not just because armour would get in the way of casting spells but I always figured there's a faith element involved in magic and your powers are stronger the more faith you have in your abilities. So wearing no armour or skimpy armour as a magic user demonstrates more faith in your ability to cast defensive spells. Same was D&D's weapons restrictions on Magic Users. I would justify the "nothing bigger than a dagger" restriction on Magic Users as not being that somehow wizards can't use a sword but that they chose not to because it expresses a lack of faith in their magic abilities.

nattaruk

kaotkbliss said:

Roman's motto "Come home with your shield, or on it"

*edit*

oh wait, that was the greeks... close enough

Actually that quote comes from Plutarch, a so called "historian" writing about the Spartans nearly 400 years afterwards. Didier's http://www.daz3d.com/salamis-mercenary is great though.

Valandar

There is decent female armor in the MP that is feminine, yet protective... and also fantasy...

 

Oso3D

Oh DUH. I already have Salamis.

 

duh duh duh

 

murgatroyd314

dracorn said:

Richard Haseltine said:

One thing to bear in mind is that, for the women, real armour would flatten their breasts. That could be done with a GeoGraft, but I'm pretty sure it would be massively unpopular and it wasn't practical at all in the past so we end up with visible breast shaping that compromises the design as practical armour.

Boob armor is not very realistic at all, not to mention providing for a place for a weapon to catch and perform a mastectomy on the battlefield.  It was especially rediculous when I had a nipple shape in supposedly rigid steel.

I was thinking of creating a breast armor shape morph and then applying the armor over that... is that feasible?

Nipples on (male) armor are more realistic than you might think - depending on the historical period, of course.

Oso3D

So here's my attempt at adapting fantasy/rl armor to scifi...

Mainly Order of the Wolf, but a Justiciar helmet, some shoulder pieces from some plate set (I forget), and Mars Expedition gloves. I thought it came together rather nicely.

I might take the armor template and see if I can adapt it more. Might be a good model for my webcomic...

 

WendyLuvsCatz

I personally would go with Jepes Jewels if doing a scifi fantasy armour.

As being scifi it would involve circuitboard like patterns or panels for implementing the body force field sheild.

On both sexes.

 

Connatic

timmins.william said:

Redid something from a while back, on the subject of women and armor.

(Ok, so lack of a helmet is unrealistic... buuut...)

 

That is a nice armor.  The most practical armor exists in nature, like lobsters and armadillos.

Serene Night

Chohole said:

Serene Night said:

I think when it comes to sci-fi there is no one style of armor but a variety of armors depending on the combat situation and the wealth of the owner.

 I would like to see some more mechanized power armor type of armor fo the "heavy hitter" type characters personally. Bulky armor would be tough for even the strongest human to move in. So some mechanization would be needed.

As far as a realistic breast plate for women goes... I would love it. not everyone wants bare cleavage or feels breast shape trumps protective elements. There should be room for all types of clothing in the store not just those that show off cleavage.

In one Fantasy series of books David Eddings does have the armourer telling a young lady that making plate armour with a shape that more closely follows the feminine shape is not feasible, as it could only be done by hammering out the shape, which would mean that the metal over the prominent areas would be very thin and thus still give no actual protection, due to the thinness.

I recall that! You have an excellent memory to recall that detail. I remember she didn't like the shape of her chest in her armor.

Valandar

Serene Night said:

Chohole said:

Serene Night said:

I think when it comes to sci-fi there is no one style of armor but a variety of armors depending on the combat situation and the wealth of the owner.

 I would like to see some more mechanized power armor type of armor fo the "heavy hitter" type characters personally. Bulky armor would be tough for even the strongest human to move in. So some mechanization would be needed.

As far as a realistic breast plate for women goes... I would love it. not everyone wants bare cleavage or feels breast shape trumps protective elements. There should be room for all types of clothing in the store not just those that show off cleavage.

In one Fantasy series of books David Eddings does have the armourer telling a young lady that making plate armour with a shape that more closely follows the feminine shape is not feasible, as it could only be done by hammering out the shape, which would mean that the metal over the prominent areas would be very thin and thus still give no actual protection, due to the thinness.

I recall that! You have an excellent memory to recall that detail. I remember she didn't like the shape of her chest in her armor.

To be exact, it wasn't that MAKING a "boob plate" would neccessitate making the boob parts thinner, it was that 1 ) hammering out what was there to enlarge the bust would make it thinner, and 2 ) he was extremely upset that she was looking at this armor as a "costume" to inspire the armies as a leader, not a fighter. Then again, Ce'Nedra was never known for thinking things all the way through, and with Belgarion off to go fight a god... well, it's a good thing Mandorallen was there to protect her. :D

 

On the other hand, a "boob plate" on female armor would make the armor WORSE than being naked. First, it would draw torso shots directly to the cleavage, instead of deflecting them, and second all the force of any kind of torso blow would go directly to the center of the breastbone, ouch!

Serene Night

My friend was quite buxom and yet when wearing her bullet proof vest  as a field agent  it flattened her chest to squareness similar to her male partner's

She looked great in it. She had a great figure.

But that's the kind of realism I personally would like to achieve in female armor and uniforms and clothing in general.

For men, I'd like to see more of a proper fit to their tops and uniforms as well. Rarely do I ever see men's pecs poking out of their shirt, or pressing hard enough to see definition- outside of muscle fitness mags.

Hera

Then we have this. Winter Warrior! I mean really, she'd freeze to death even before she'd laid eyes upon an enemy.

I remember, when seeing the title, I thought it'd be something like this instead:

 

 

TangoAlpha

There was a documentary series started on BBC4 this week (Might be on BBC America or BBC World?) called "Sword, Musket & Machine Gun: Britain's Armed History" http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b087xksp Not specifically about armour, but armour did come into it. One thing he mentioned was the gap between armour and skin, meaning that dents and small piercings weren't really going to bother the wearer that much. Although after seeing the penetration power of a 140lb war bow at close-ish range, it ain't gonna save you! He also showed one of the medieval sword fighting manuals that I think was discussed earlier in this thread. Fascinating programme and worth a watch if it's on where you are.

BTW, the term 'freelancer' originally meant 'mercenary for hire', as in a lancer (mounted knight) being free, ie not already pledged to some lord or other.

dracorn

Hera said:

Then we have this. Winter Warrior! I mean really, she'd freeze to death even before she'd laid eyes upon an enemy.

I remember, when seeing the title, I thought it'd be something like this instead:

 

 

At least her calfs would be warm.

dracorn

Murgatroyd said:

dracorn said:

Richard Haseltine said:

One thing to bear in mind is that, for the women, real armour would flatten their breasts. That could be done with a GeoGraft, but I'm pretty sure it would be massively unpopular and it wasn't practical at all in the past so we end up with visible breast shaping that compromises the design as practical armour.

Boob armor is not very realistic at all, not to mention providing for a place for a weapon to catch and perform a mastectomy on the battlefield.  It was especially rediculous when I had a nipple shape in supposedly rigid steel.

I was thinking of creating a breast armor shape morph and then applying the armor over that... is that feasible?

Nipples on (male) armor are more realistic than you might think - depending on the historical period, of course.

Yeah, but only if they are part of the armor design element, not because the gal was cold...

FSMCDesigns

Hera said:

Then we have this. Winter Warrior! I mean really, she'd freeze to death even before she'd laid eyes upon an enemy.
 

I remember, when seeing the title, I thought it'd be something like this instead:

 

 

I'd love something like that!!

Xenomorphine

If there are issues with encased rigid armour producing odd clipping around limbs, most of the body could always be made invisible.

Graze

dracorn said:

Murgatroyd said:

dracorn said:

Richard Haseltine said:

One thing to bear in mind is that, for the women, real armour would flatten their breasts. That could be done with a GeoGraft, but I'm pretty sure it would be massively unpopular and it wasn't practical at all in the past so we end up with visible breast shaping that compromises the design as practical armour.

Boob armor is not very realistic at all, not to mention providing for a place for a weapon to catch and perform a mastectomy on the battlefield.  It was especially rediculous when I had a nipple shape in supposedly rigid steel.

I was thinking of creating a breast armor shape morph and then applying the armor over that... is that feasible?

Nipples on (male) armor are more realistic than you might think - depending on the historical period, of course.

Yeah, but only if they are part of the armor design element, not because the gal was cold...

On the movie poster, Batman and Robin had nips, but Batgirl didn't.

Valandar

Xenomorphine said:

If there are issues with encased rigid armour producing odd clipping around limbs, most of the body could always be made invisible.

Not usually allowed in brokered items on DAZ. Also, most of the time, those armor parts don't cover the entire body part - a bracer would not cover the inside of the elbow, for example.

kyoto kid

daywalker03 said:

kyoto kid said:

daywalker03 said:

And yet, the size of the "unprotected area" is really only a risk in exploration situations. I would be far more worried about a fragmentation grenade or "bouncing betty" boobie-trap wearing such an armor than I would be about someone hitting me there with a gun of some kind. ;)

...that too as well. However, as I mentioned, the torso is still the largest and easiest target on the body to hit, and most fantasy/sci-fi 3D armour tends to leave the most vulnerable sections unprotected. 

Think of that officer in the Future Cop Armour looking down to see a red dot or two on her exposed belly (and that technology is accessible today).  Now imagine firearms that would exist in her day which could be outfitted with more sophisticated "smart" targeting systems and recoil compensation, a shot to the vitals would be all that much easier and not even "telegraphed" like a laser sight does.  She may as well just wear a cloth uniform as she would be no worse off.

A good sniper doesn't need (or shouldn't trust) a laser sight, due to things like wind drag and gravity, to tell the truth. And yes, if vital areas are overexposed, getting hit there is deadly.

...yeah but it doesn't require a sniper to take the officer out.  anyone with a high powered handgun equipped with a smart sight can take that officer down.

kyoto kid

gederix said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSiiJ8uvc60

...

..."right in the shiny part"

kyoto kid

nightwolf1982 said:

Keep in mind, most Poser and DAZ armors aren't intended to be realistic.  Many sets are based in certain Fantasy styles like World of Warcraft or Boris Vallejo, while others mimic certain comic book or movie styles.  Very rarely are these styles "realistic", in that they offer any realistic protection or coverage.

Add to that, most of us aren't doing 3D to render realistic images anyway, so non-realistic armor is just fine with us.

...umm I am writing and illustrating a story where if a character in combat doesn't have appropriate armour, he or she is pretty much dead when taking a hit from an APDS or explosive round.

kyoto kid

timmins.william said:

There are a variety of chain items in the store. I think the Wolf guard stuff has a maille body suit.

It's also fairly easy to go get various chain textures and apply them to, well, clothes, bodysuits, body parts... it often serves as a good 'base' for other armors, which reflects real life stuff.

 

..yes, but what about armour for present day/future settings? Chain mail does not stop bullets.

kyoto kid

Richard Haseltine said:

One thing to bear in mind is that, for the women, real armour would flatten their breasts. That could be done with a GeoGraft, but I'm pretty sure it would be massively unpopular and it wasn't practical at all in the past so we end up with visible breast shaping that compromises the design as practical armour.

...no issue with flattening the breasts from me. Armour is supposed to be for protection, not walking down the catwalk at a fashion show .

Sensual Art

SnapJelly's channel at YouTube has a few videos reviewing female plate armors in movies.

Here's one of them: 5 reasons why boob plate armor SUCKS!

shadowhawk1

mrinal said:

SnapJelly's channel at YouTube has a few videos reviewing female plate armors in movies.

Here's one of them: 5 reasons why boob plate armor SUCKS!

 Now while I can see both sides of this issue, I just can't take it seriously. I mean SERIOUSLY??!! Boob slots on armor, we are 3D artists! Yes Skimp wear, sexy armour and high heels sell very well ... The number of items that fit this discription are all over the store. The guy in the video while technically acurate, takes this WAY TO SERIOUSLY!! We all know that boob slots were not used in midevial armor otherwise there would be examples in museums. Well at least I have never seen a set of boob armour in a history museum. this discussion pops up every so often and both sides complain and gripe and people get hurt feelings over this. I think we should all step back and realize that with 3D art normal physics just aren't going to apply to sets of armour. 

I love to see the more sexulized female armour in the store ... Hey I am a guy, I will admit it. BUT! I would also like to see period acurate and more fuctional looking Sci-Fi armour for 3D art. 

 

kaotkbliss

shadowhawk1 said:

I love to see the more sexulized female armour in the store ... Hey I am a guy, I will admit it. BUT! I would also like to see period acurate and more fuctional looking Sci-Fi armour for 3D art. 

Variety is the spice of life! :)

Oso3D

Kyoto: Chain -> ballistic cloth

 

shadowhawk1

kaotkbliss said:

shadowhawk1 said:

I love to see the more sexulized female armour in the store ... Hey I am a guy, I will admit it. BUT! I would also like to see period acurate and more fuctional looking Sci-Fi armour for 3D art. 

Variety is the spice of life! :)

That it is! Now can we get a boob window in the armour too? 

wolf359

thd777 said:

My all time favorite and gold standard for scifi armor in my view is the GRIM armor from SanctumArt. It is an old M3/V3 set but it has never been surpassed in quality (even the interior padding is modeled). I have converted the materials to IRAY and use it with an invisible M3 low res without texture inside and a G3F/M head when needed. If you have all the parts it is also quite versatile, there are several helmets, chest pieces and add-ons. Sadly it is not available for purchase anymore.

Ciao

TD

I exported it from poser and split it by group in C4D. I then batch imported all of the parts back into poser and opened the scene in DS and parented them to the Genesis 2 male. He is wearing it in this animation clip. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2TYEp536iB8WHBPVUZKSG9qWGs/view?usp=drivesdk