Daz over Remote Desktop
dreamfarmer
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Does anybody have any experience with this? I can't run it on my ancient Macbook Air, but I CAN run a rather impressive Remote Desktop session. And as long as I open Daz on my desktop (like it's ever closed... except when I'm using Photoshop+Topaz I guess...) I can use it... mostly.... fine via the Remote Desktop session. But there are quirks. Which I'm investigating! But I was also wondering if anybody else has done this, if there are threads or whatnot. and Forum Search being what it is, I wanted to ask the collective memory while I tracked down a mouse to connect to my Macbook.
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Yes, this has been tried but unfortunately the Cube View Control (to manipulate the view) nor the Pose Control Sphere works across Remote Desktops due the way in which these controls works (i.e., detects minute shifts in positioning which remote desktop cannot provide). Otherwise it works... but for me, lack of these controls makes it pretty useless via Remote Desktop.
When I've tried opening Daz over an RDP connection (windows to windows) It throws an OpenGL error and just laughs at me. I haven't seen any workaround for that, but I haven't looked all that hard either since I can't do anything more complex than hitting the render button on a render that's pre-set and ready to go if I leave Daz open before I hit the RDP connection.
Yup, noticed the camera and pose control stuff. The sliders are also useless, but typing in numbers seems to work. I definitely can't do any detail work but I'm thinking maybe with some camera presets I can do broad scene composition work and test renders.
I'd tried this a few months back with TeamViewer and ran into all the issues with the viewport manipulation cube etc. I'd read that the problem had to do with latency. More recently, I got a notification saying an updated version of TeamViewer was out and that latency had been reduced significantly. I haven't had a chance to test this claim as it pertains to remotely controlling Daz Studio, but I'm hopeful!
I have done the sucessfully with gotomypc.com. You have to have an extremely fast connection on both computers. If it starts to lack, I stop using mouse control in the main window and work 100% off the parameters tab. That way I can work even if there is a lag.
I haven't had any trouble using it with Splashtop. I've remoted into it from an iphone on a data connection (external to the network) as well as from work. I didn't like the results remoting in from a Kindle Fire. That was a bit wonky. But no problems otherwise from anywhere. I think it was outpost42 who suggested Splashtop and it works great. It's free to use on an internal network and $16.99 a year to use it on an external network from anywhere. Love it.
There is a startup option to use DS over VNC/RDP, but it is *NOT* conducive to scene creation. It was added on a request to be able to start rendering processes for animations on remote machines. You must start DS from the command line and add the "-allowRemote" option to the line. (or you can modify a shortcut icon)
Kendall
I do, as mentioned you have to start Studio before the RDP connection.
It's noticeably slower, and detail work is hard. I only use it to kick off batch renders or renders. I'm using a gigabit switch.
I run Daz on my desktop and wanted to be able to do so from my laptop. I'm using gotomypc. It is not ideal for scene or pose set up. Moving the camera or the character makes the mouse go crazy/makes things move around uncontrollably. Some days are a little better. It works fine with parameters dials and such, but I'm not great at using those yet.
@Llynara - are you saying you are able to remote to your desktop and use Daz via splashtop with no problems setting scenes up? If so, I may give it a try in lieu of gotomypc.
I want to use my Daz Studio in my laptop when travelling. Is there any solution today? Can splashtop work on Daz Studio?
I use splashtop daily for setting up and rendering Daz scenes :) works a treat, except don't install the monitor mirror driver (which is what most other remote apps use) as that will make the rotation cube and sliders unusable. (If you select the black out remote screen option, it will ask you to install these drivers)
Yeah, the cube controls don't work over remote desktop. I really do wish they would fix the input controls even on desktop.
As for using OpenGL over remote desktop, I think you need some other tool. But if you start the app before opening remote desktop, it will just send the screen over and will render using the remote hardware. What if you don't have direct access to the remote machine? Well, there is a way to start DAZ Studio so that it uses the remote hardware. You run a script that will disconnect you, wait a few seconds, and then launch DAZ Studio. After a few more seconds, you remote back in and you're good to go. A little annoying, but it works.
This is the script to run on the remote machine.
I have used Splashtop to access my PC from other devices. Its super simple. Splashtop is free if you use it over your home wifi. I like the interface.
"Fast internet" is not all you need to make it work, though. You need low latency. That is far more important than fast internet. A gigabit connection would be useless if your router has only G band, or you old laptoptop you are streaming to only has G band.
It is not super necessary, but having an AC band router along with all your devices being AC band, this can give you a nearly latency free connection. That is so fast it will feel like there is no lag. Your actual internet only needs to be fast enough to stream in HD, which isn't really that much. The latency is the primary concern. You can get away with using N band equipment, but you will have a slight lag with the mouse moving a fraction of a second on screen after you move it with your hand. If you can deal with that, cool.
I have streamed to a loptop and a tablet with Splashtop (it has apps for both Apple and Android.) They work great. There may be some issues with certain sliders or the viewport navigator behaving badly. This depends on your equipment and mouse settings. On the laptop I don't have the issue. On Android I have some issues with sliders acting funky.
If you are streaming from a PC close by, you might be able to bypass some of those issues by simply using a wireless mouse connected to the source PC.
Use Google to search the forums, it works well. ATI made a browser script to do that, and you can just search Daz from Google itself.
I successfully used MS Remote Desktop on my Mac and was able to connect to my Windows 10 Pro machine that is running DAZ. No OpenGL errors. Had issues with OpenGL when the PC is running something else besides Windows 10 Pro.
I suggest everyone pay attention to Kendall Sears. I've tried it and it works like a charm! Just create a shortcut to open DAZ (in case you, like me, deleted it) and add -allowRemote to the Start line. Thank you Sears. I don't know why no one in this thread tried it. I almost download Splashtop but happened to see your comment. (the OpenGL message comes as usual but DAZ itself runs perfectly!)
BTW, I compose and edit with my DAZ for Mac. I use Google Drive as document center. The dial is useless anyway even with -allowRemote. But that's fine for me because I don't have to spare a monitor to open DAZ any more!
A little trick for ALL LOCAL versions of Any remote to ELIMINATE Mouse Lag (and to allow the Cube to work) is to use a Wireless Mouse from the SERVING computer and take it with you into the VIEWING Room. Obviously YMMV on distance with a wireless but a bluetooth mouse can go quite far.
Yeah, it works but somewhat interface delay occurs.
Okay, thanks to all who recommend Splashtop. I gave it a shot and never regret till I die. I just realize that it's really free for personal version and that's all we need to run DAZ locally. Thanks all of you and thank to myself coming to this thread!
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/265581/daz-studio-pro-beta-version-4-11-0-171
For 4.11.0.171, work fine for Anydesk, Remote Desktop, TeamViewer, SplashTop.
Is it really okay with you? For me the dial button is still useless anyway.
Synergy (v1) also "works"... although it has a "fly-by-wire" feel to it (as opposed to mechanical flight controls) due to lag; which ultimately reduces the frequency of mouse events and therefore causes it to be less responsive than direct control.
Batch method works completely.
This is the original forum post for the solution if you want to take a look at:
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windowsserver/en-US/c8295ef8-3711-4576-9293-2c4965280165/opengl-and-remote-desktop?forum=winserverTS
Just open text editor and paste the code below. Then save as .bat file, then click on it. What it does 1- It temporarily disconnects you from remote desktop 2-Open Daz3d.
Since you're not connected through rdp, daz studio utilize your gpu as its main open gl processor when opens; instead of the crappy simulated rdp opengl engine (which is open gl 1.1)
All you need is to reconnect after few seconds. It works!
@echo off
echo.
echo Remote Desktop will be temporarily disconnected . . . please reconnect after a few seconds.
echo.
pause
@echo on
REM The active session has an arrow as the first character
setlocal EnableDelayedExpansion
FOR /F %%A in ('qwinsta') do (
set tempSessionName=%%A
if "!tempSessionName:~0,1!"==">" (
@echo on
tscon.exe !tempSessionName:~1! /v /dest:console
@echo off
)
)
@echo off
echo.
echo Starting MyProgram.exe . . .
@echo on
cd c:/Program Files/Daz 3d/Dazstudio4/
start Dazstudio.exe
@echo off
echo.
pause