Just a little comment: Oktoberfest Dirndl would have been much better without dforce

cherpenbeck

I like the fact that we sometimes get very different clothing, a lot. But whoever made that decision that the Oktoberfest outfit must be dforce - it wasn't the best. Dforce works for very thin fabric, but Dirndls aren't made from very thin fabric, they don't behave like smooth silk. This would really have worked better without dforce and with thicker fabric.

Just compare with these pictures .

And I know you can use dforce clothes without dforce. But the too thin fabric is something I can't correct. I'm not that good at modelling (not to say, I'm dismal at modelling)

 

Paintbox

While I cant judge this product and your assertion, just in my experience there is actually a ton of parameters that make it behave as tougher cloth. You can make it silky but also more inflexible or strong. I believe in the dforce thread there are some examples. 

WendyLuvsCatz

can't you just make the fabric appear thicker with displacement?

and a geoshell if needed for negative

 

Gator

Paintbox said:

While I cant judge this product and your assertion, just in my experience there is actually a ton of parameters that make it behave as tougher cloth. You can make it silky but also more inflexible or strong. I believe in the dforce thread there are some examples. 

I have only started playing with Dforce, but this.  Among other settings, I recall you can control how heavy the fabric is and how easily it bends.  Default is a fairly light, flexible fabric. 

I only played a bit making it heavier then got explosions.   

Havos

If you look at the promo where the woman is sat with her legs crossed, that would be near impossible to drap like that without dforce, unless that exact pose was included as a morph.

So whilst certain cloth types may have issues with dForce, skirts in particular look pretty poor without it, unless the figure is stood up straight.

nonesuch00

I was very glad to see a dirndl too but unhappy enough about how the shoulders were made that I'll probably not buy it.

AllenArt

I would have bought it if it was modeled after a REAL one rather than one that's off the shoulders. That was a deal breaker for me. Why does virtually everything have to be oversexualized? Urgh.

Laurie

Oso3D

Except... sometimes it IS off the shoulder.

FirstBastion

AllenArt said:

I would have bought it if it was modeled after a REAL one

A genuine national folklore type costume would be welcomed. 

AllenArt

FirstBastion said:

AllenArt said:

I would have bought it if it was modeled after a REAL one

A genuine national folklore type costume would be welcomed. 

This. 

Sorry but this is what I'm more familiar with.

Oso3D

Also, showing shoulders is oversexualized? Not the basic consistent design of "HEY GET A LOAD OF THESE"?

 

AllenArt

Oso3D said:

Also, showing shoulders is oversexualized? Not the basic consistent design of "HEY GET A LOAD OF THESE"?

 

It's oversexualized in the context that the original folk costume covered the shoulders. And you've never seen a female try and get more looks from the guys by pulling her sleeves down over her shoulders? o.O  Until modern times it was considered a bit risque. I know off the shoulder is all the rage these days, but back in the day only "bad" women wore stuff like that.

I'm not saying I hate off the shoulder stuff. I don't. But it would be nice if ethnic folk costumes were true to form is all I'm saying.

Laurie

Kitsumo

From what I read on the wikipedia page, it's daily wear for women doing domestic chores which would make the off-the-shoulders part a bit impractical. I would guess that the exposed shoulder version is more popular at Oktoberfest type events because, oddly enough, men seem to purchase more beer that way.

RawArt

Is it kinda funny that AllenArts pic looks more sexualized than OSO3d's?  and Oso's is the off the shoulder look that is being complained abotu being too sexy  LOL

AllenArt

RawArt said:

Is it kinda funny that AllenArts pic looks more sexualized than OSO3d's?  and Oso's is the off the shoulder look that is being complained abotu being too sexy  LOL

The cleavage is a little more exposed than the original I'm thinking, but I wasn't gonna waste tons of time looking for the original. Just one that wasn't off the shoulder, which showed up immediately.

Laurie

 

Aave Nainen

FirstBastion said:

AllenArt said:

I would have bought it if it was modeled after a REAL one

A genuine national folklore type costume would be welcomed. 

This is why I may never attempt "National Costume" outfits although I would love to do so, there are regional differences, modernized versions, etc. etc. etc. and there is always going to be someone offended that the version offered is not exactly "right" or "genuine".

AllenArt

Aave Nainen said:

FirstBastion said:

AllenArt said:

I would have bought it if it was modeled after a REAL one

A genuine national folklore type costume would be welcomed. 

This is why I may never attempt "National Costume" outfits although I would love to do so, there are regional differences, modernized versions, etc. etc. etc. and there is always going to be someone offended that the version offered is not exactly "right" or "genuine".

Probably wise...lol. I sure would love to see some tho.

Laurie

caravelle

I think the shoulderless sleeves look cute on young women. What bothers me is that the skirt of this 'Dirndl' has not the right shape - it is too tight. A Dirndl skirt should be a bit voluminous; the original skirts are worn with underskirts. But maybe you can change this with dForce; I don't know. At least this Dirndl has an authentic length and some nice details; most 3D 'Dirndls' are just skimpy, they look a bit ridiculous with their mini skirts. 

caravelle

AllenArt said:

RawArt said:

 

The cleavage is a little more exposed than the original I'm thinking, but I wasn't gonna waste tons of time looking for the original. Just one that wasn't off the shoulder, which showed up immediately.

Laurie

 

Laurie, this is the Dirndl style I like; very elegant. In Salzburg and Munich you can spend thousands of Euros on outfits like this... 

AllenArt

caravelle said:

AllenArt said:

RawArt said:

 

The cleavage is a little more exposed than the original I'm thinking, but I wasn't gonna waste tons of time looking for the original. Just one that wasn't off the shoulder, which showed up immediately.

Laurie

 

Laurie, this is the Dirndl style I like; very elegant. In Salzburg and Munich you can spend thousands of Euros on outfits like this... 

Yes, I'd rather see this style too :) I really need to figure out MD and 3D Coat. LOL

Laurie

nicstt

RawArt said:

Is it kinda funny that AllenArts pic looks more sexualized than OSO3d's?  and Oso's is the off the shoulder look that is being complained abotu being too sexy  LOL

+1

FirstBastion

I can understand the reasoning for stylized.  But still "traditional" is very different from the "cosplay" type of outfit,  seen yearly at October beergardens.

The traditional outfits from Europe for example are all fairly modest in design.

 

maikdecker

Kitsumo said:

From what I read on the wikipedia page, it's daily wear for women doing domestic chores which would make the off-the-shoulders part a bit impractical. I would guess that the exposed shoulder version is more popular at Oktoberfest type events because, oddly enough, men seem to purchase more beer that way.

It's not really that traditional... it was invented around the midst of the 19th century and mostly worn by females living in cities, not in the rural country... At least that's what the german wikipedia says.

It resembles what females in the rural regions of Bavaria/Austria wore then and earlier: a wide skirt, a bustier, a (usually white) blouse and an apron. And stuff like that is already available in the shop, if anyone wants to do some "traditional bavarian peasants" scenes. 

The Dirndl is just a fashion item and usually worn during the Oktoberfest and whenever a Schützenfest happens in Bavaria.

Seven193

cherpenbeck said:

I like the fact that we sometimes get very different clothing, a lot. But whoever made that decision that the Oktoberfest outfit must be dforce - it wasn't the best. Dforce works for very thin fabric, but Dirndls aren't made from very thin fabric, they don't behave like smooth silk. This would really have worked better without dforce and with thicker fabric.

 

How are you controlling a fabric's thickness in Daz Studio? It's just flat polys to me.

Oso3D

Most outfits in the store are single surfaces and have no actual thickness. Some of them have rolled edges or otherwise play texture games to make them appear thick... but they aren't.

There ARE outfits with actual thickness. And these become a bear to fit with more extreme figures, because the inner surface will often clip through.

 

Richard Haseltine

Dave230 said:

cherpenbeck said:

I like the fact that we sometimes get very different clothing, a lot. But whoever made that decision that the Oktoberfest outfit must be dforce - it wasn't the best. Dforce works for very thin fabric, but Dirndls aren't made from very thin fabric, they don't behave like smooth silk. This would really have worked better without dforce and with thicker fabric.

 

 

How are you controlling a fabric's thickness in Daz Studio? It's just flat polys to me.

A dForce can have its properties varied to make it act like thicker/stiffer/heavier cloth, which I think is what most posters are talking about above.

diogenese19348

I was more curious about why someone would use dforce on a skin tight latex outfit like the one the other day myself...

AllenArt

Dave230 said:

cherpenbeck said:

I like the fact that we sometimes get very different clothing, a lot. But whoever made that decision that the Oktoberfest outfit must be dforce - it wasn't the best. Dforce works for very thin fabric, but Dirndls aren't made from very thin fabric, they don't behave like smooth silk. This would really have worked better without dforce and with thicker fabric.

 

 

How are you controlling a fabric's thickness in Daz Studio? It's just flat polys to me.

You can control how the fabric behaves, whether stiff or silky and heavy, etc.

Laurie

Timbales

If it makes you feel better, there isn't an authentic lederhosen set for male characters in the store.

Butch

Timbales said:

If it makes you feel better, there isn't an authentic lederhosen set for male characters in the store.

I was just thinking the same.  It'll be a very one sided Oktoberfest.

I might also add, there isn't even un-authentic lederhosen in the store.

BeeMKay

Er... to second what @maidecker said, I'm from Germany and live nearby the cities of the Wies'n (Oktoberfest Munich) and the Cannstadter Was'n (Stuttgart). I can assure you that the dress in the store is what would be worn by guests of the Oktoberfest/Was'n, and as such, it is authentic as an Oktoberfest Dirndl.

https://www.bavaria.by/traditionally-different/sumptuous-costumes/the-dirndl/

https://www.alpenclassics.de/trachten-guide/the-dirndl.html

http://wiesnkini.de/en/magazine/what-is-a-tracht-dirndl-lederhosen/

http://www.kaffeeundkuchen.co/home/guide-to-buying-and-wearing-a-dirndl

http://www.inside-munich.com/dirndl-and-lederhose.html (shows the shoulder-free version at "where to buy)