Needed improvements for DAZ3D shopping.
SnowPheonix
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Seems to me you guys are doing a pretty good job around here at DAZ3D but I'd like to see you become more like your competitors. While your strengths are that your producing a lot of great environments to place characters, your weakness is still character skins.
I'd like to see DAZ start using larger promotional pictures, starting with new releases. Make it so that we can see the pores and micro-hairs on the characters. It's not like back when you guys first started and it was expected that the characters were going to look like cartoons. Now days, we expect realistic skins and in that area, so far.. you guys are really falling behind the curve when compared to other products on the market. For example:
On Rendo search out The Girl Next Door 4: Athletic
Now, maybe your products are just as good... but as I look at the other pages, I can't help but see rich colors and more intricate patterns in the clothing because of the larger picture size and higher resolutions.
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Many vendors sell at both stores. Take a look at Catarina that just went on sale today.
Yeah, I've already added her to my collection along with that 14MU which I think is BRILLIANT! Yeah, Silver has content at both sites but what I found interesting is that there is a lot more over at the other pages and it seems to be better than whats on offer here.
I like DAZ3D, I like the software and its a brilliant strategy to keep the software free. The ONLY advantage that they have is that I hate having to install the characters myself like I do if I purchase them from competitors. I'm currently rendering Catarina in 14MU... Its surprising slow but the pictures look brilliant.
Yeah, I've already added her to my collection along with that 14MU which I think is BRILLIANT! Yeah, Silver has content at both sites but what I found interesting is that there is a lot more over at the other pages and it seems to be better than whats on offer here.
I like DAZ3D, I like the software and its a brilliant strategy to keep the software free. The ONLY advantage that they have is that I hate having to install the characters myself like I do if I purchase them from competitors. I'm currently rendering Catarina in 14MU... Its surprising slow but the pictures look brilliant.
The 14MU is just a redone version for DS. Silver has many more products at Rendo because she began there and remains one of the main markets for V4 textures. I'm not sure what you mean by better. Do you mean the promos look better or the textures are better?
Lager than 1000x1300? Very few people have screens that can even take advantage of a pop up larger than that.
The 14MU is just a redone version for DS. Silver has many more products at Rendo because she began there and remains one of the main markets for V4 textures. I'm not sure what you mean by better. Do you mean the promos look better or the textures are better?
To me, with the bigger pictures at "Rendo", both appear better. I don't purchase to many things over their because I hate having to manually install products. If they had the good sense to build DAZ3D installers and sell those at that other page, I'd never shop here again. But the thing is, I like DAZ and I want to see them do bigger and better things. I'd like to see this be the best sight, the best software with the best artist putting out the best of everything.
I bet they will, just to shut me up. LOL
*sigh*
This is just one of the many reasons why popups like that are a pointless hindrance at best. At least in this case they can be bypassed: If you just open the image in a new tab (or window) by middle-clicking, it no longer needs to fit on screen.
Unless your like me and don't want to have to scroll to see part of the image at a time. It is one of those different strokes for different folks. Some people don't mind scrolling and losing the top of an image and some people do.
That is not a problem if you're using a decent browser that can scale images to fit your screen if that is what you want. (Firefox scales images to fit the screen by default, and clicking the image will zoom it to its original size)
It would be pretty dumb to limit promotional images to small sizes just because some customers can't be bothered to learn how to use a web browser properly.
Lager than 1000x1300? Very few people have screens that can even take advantage of a pop up larger than that.
That doesn't matter. Everybody can scroll up and down on the larger pop ups but their is an advantage to us customers in that we get a better look at the products were dropping our hard earned coins for. I've bought some real turkeys (I don't want to say names) off this site because I've been fooled by those smaller promotional pictures that essentially hide the smaller details.
I want something that I can see the what that purchase is going to look like when I'm close in and far away and I want to see how it looks in DAZ3D, not poser, which I don't even use but I own a licensed version of.
As for better over "there", some products at the other site are or were missing crucial textures for example, like e.g. bump maps. Overall I haven't been disappointed really at DAZ and I have my 'usual suspect' PA shops where I am going shopping for my character textures. I am rendering contemporary fantasy mostly, so I am not necessarily aiming at uncanny valley realism, but then again that is quite achievable by DAZ sold textures, too. Also, like others said, some PAs sell both "here" and "there" (Sesame Street flashback of the explanation of the difference between "here" and "there"), so I follow certain PAs around of course :)
"Here" and "There"
Unless your like me and don't want to have to scroll to see part of the image at a time. It is one of those different strokes for different folks. Some people don't mind scrolling and losing the top of an image and some people do.
I second that. I want an overview of the whole store and I can shop by pictures. If something sparks my interest then I go in and open the larger image.
Some promos here are already larger but they are automatically scaled to fit on screen by the popup mechanism. The full size image can be viewed with a middle or right click on the thumbnail.
So DAZ is doing this popup thing right (unlike these forums, where the popup can't be bypassed easily). Some promos are still too small though.
A lot of the time I am browsing the site on a mobile device as well. The Daz setup is perfect. The images fit nice and clean, and if I need to zoom in I can. Browsing other stores is a PITA because their formats are all over the place. One vendor will have tiny promos in an unconventional aspect ratio, the other will have gigantic ones where I have to blow on my screen to prevent it from overheating from all the scrolling I have to do. Sometimes to get the full effect its better to have the entire image fit without having to scroll up and down. That to me breaks the effect.
I'm just not sure how 1000x1300 is considered a "small sized" image though. Rendo max is 800x1600 which is really not dramatically larger image wise. And requires a different sort of page layout so that you can scroll to see the image.
Then the question become is this DAZ's doing or the content creators choice? DAZ (like everyone else) does have a max size but not everyone chooses to use that.
snowpheonix, Your image is actually smaller than the size most promo images are. They re-size to your screen. If you want the full size to show then your going to need a screen that will show the full 1300 length at once.
We do 1000x1300 on all our brokered pack so you can see with a certain amount of detail
If you mean how to view full size product images at DAZ, just use your middle or right mouse button on the thumbnails and they will open in a new tab or window where you can zoom freely. If you're talking about something else, then never mind...
No.. the image that was posted as an example of the sort of sizes we should be using is actually smaller than the image size we are allowed to submit. Perhaps the issue has nothing to do with the image sizes and more to do with how close up the renders are of the product.
edit: And yes I clicked on the image to full size it for measure.
Really? Are you going to try and tell me that you use DAZ3D studio on your 'mobile device', cause even the most basic laptop has no problems auto-sizing pictures. You can't use those products on a cell phone.
I can see where vendors like yourself might prefer smaller pictures but its not doing us customers any favors.
I love all your morph packages.. I own them all and you do great work but I do hope you change your mind and help start promoting better promotional pictures for the customers. We deserve to see what we are purchasing.
If you mean how to view full size product images at DAZ, just use your middle or right mouse button on the thumbnails and they will open in a new tab or window where you can zoom freely. If you're talking about something else, then never mind...
How do I delete this accidental post.
I just checked and his images are 1000x1300. What size images do you think would be better? Keep in mind it would still only be as large as your screen permits unless you bypass to look at it directly.
Then the question become is this DAZ's doing or the content creators choice? DAZ (like everyone else) does have a max size but not everyone chooses to use that.
snowpheonix, Your image is actually smaller than the size most promo images are. They re-size to your screen. If you want the full size to show then your going to need a screen that will show the full 1300 length at once.
800x1600 is the main promo size. The max for the others is 1000x1600. Still, that is really not that much bigger; I'm scratching my head over why that should make a difference. Perhaps the OP is going off old promos from before Renderosity started enforcing maximum sizes? Back then it could take an hour to scroll down an Aerysoul promo. :D
If you mean how to view full size product images at DAZ, just use your middle or right mouse button on the thumbnails and they will open in a new tab or window where you can zoom freely. If you're talking about something else, then never mind...
Even the ones that open are aren't usually big enough to really get the details that we should be seeing. I mean, we are living in an HD world now and details are everything when your talking about doing GREAT art. Anybody can poop out those V4 cartoon textures that nobody would ever believe is a real human being but those days are gone when that was the standard. Now days people expect better and its time people take notice.
DAZ is in the process of phasing out installers in favor of zips. Something members have been asking for for years. Yes, they have the DIMM but not everyone bothers with it.
My primary app is Poser and the DIMM is useless to me. Oh, it can serve as a download manager but actual installation of products in my case is done manually because of my external runtimes. On an average, I have about 100 or so runtimes that I add and remove from the Poser library pane as needed. That doesn't count any working or project runtimes that are specific to a certain job or client. Working runtimes and project runtimes are zipped and archived with the other files pertaining to the job when it is complete.
At one time there was a 3D content installer that worked quite well. Except for the fact that DAZ kept playing musical installers. The vendor couldn't keep up with the changes and eventually just pulled the product. It was an excellent product that would install everything from zips to RAR archives to the original DAZ installers.
My biggest complaint is the lack of detail in products. It doesn't matter how big the promos are if there's nothing to show.
The Daz Store crashes/locks up my IPod touch. Maybe I need a tablet.
800x1600 is the main promo size. The max for the others is 1000x1600. Still, that is really not that much bigger; I'm scratching my head over why that should make a difference. Perhaps the OP is going off old promos from before Renderosity started enforcing maximum sizes? Back then it could take an hour to scroll down an Aerysoul promo. :D
Personally, I'd love to see the type of promo pictures Rendo has on this page and that's what I originally posted as an example. I was pretty clear that I think DAZ3D should follow the example of their competitors. I'd like a closer look at some of the things I buy.
I couldn't agree with you more but I also think that if they start using the larger formats its going to force the people who make the content to up their game. They won't be able to hide bad products in the smaller pictures and thats the only reason I can see why anybody would really argue against it... it allows the vendors to be lazy and crank out garbage that if you had a closer look at, you'd never purchase in the first place.
800x1600 is the main promo size. The max for the others is 1000x1600. Still, that is really not that much bigger; I'm scratching my head over why that should make a difference. Perhaps the OP is going off old promos from before Renderosity started enforcing maximum sizes? Back then it could take an hour to scroll down an Aerysoul promo. :D
Personally, I'd love to see the type of promo pictures Rendo has on this page and that's what I originally posted as an example. I was pretty clear that I think DAZ3D should follow the example of their competitors. I'd like a closer look at some of the things I buy.
What page? It's been edited by a mod because you linked directly to a Rendo product. You can name it for us to go look up but you cannot link it.
Well I don't have anything against bigger promos, but I also don't believe it would change anything. Some of the artists are already quite adept at wasting space and avoiding closeups when they would be useful. Making larger promos mandatory would probably not change that :P
Personally, I'd love to see the type of promo pictures Rendo has on this page and that's what I originally posted as an example. I was pretty clear that I think DAZ3D should follow the example of their competitors. I'd like a closer look at some of the things I buy.
What page? It's been edited by a mod because you linked directly to a Rendo product. You can name it for us to go look up but you cannot link it.
Just as an example on Rendo: The Girl Next Door 4: Athletic