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Need some good button down shirts that drape properly across and under a female chest
jdavison67
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Every button down shirt I have for DAZ, distorts horribly unless my model has a flat chest.
These shirts always pinch in the middle, hug the body like shrink wrap, or get this aweful distortion under the breasts.
The other problem with these shirts is the buttons, they always deform in ways real buttons never would.
After all this time, is it still too much to hope for?
JD
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Speaking as an amateur content creator, the short version is "it's a far harder problem than you think".
Getting clothing to automatically fit any body shape you throw at it is excruciatingly complex, hence why good clothing requires the creator to build in any number of corrective morphs to improve on the results of Auto-Fit, but if you throw it shapes it doesn't recognise or stack many shapes on top of each other those corrective morphs start to break down and even clash with each other. No set of corrective morphs can feasbily be comprehensive.
Dforce can improve on these things (you can create plausible fits for unrecognised body shapes by fading said shapes in during a simulation, which means that the clothing keeps its original dimensions without distorting), but the problem with button-down shirts in particular is that dForce doesn't work very well with garments that have gaps in them - and most buyers also want their button-down shirts to be able to open, creating a conflict of interest.
Hi, I chose this shirt for the same design preferences you mentioned H&C Checkered Shirt Outfit for Genesis 8 Male(s) here on DAZ. I use autofit from the G8 Male to the G8 Female. Then I adjust breast size under "breasts gone", just enough to look female. This shirt stretches over the bust, distorting the "checkers" or plaid. A solid color with a bmp of woven texture works, or a floral print that is not overly repeated, maybe enlarged so the bust distortion is not so noticeable. I like H&C clothing products because they were the first designer to make real shoulders of clothes, for a "crisper office look".
here's my example on Victoria 8. Click on the thumbnail for a larger view.
https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-nainai-outfit-for-genesis-8-females
The buttons are rigid follow nodes so won't distort and can be clicked on and adjusted if needed . FBMs used are voluptuous and breast cleavage
First image is standard conformer, 2nd image is with dforce and 3rd is with the dynamic surface add on turned off so it will drape open - tweaking the surface settings and friction will give you even more open shirt.
@Mada Will you please revisit the men's business shirt and give us a proper collar (like above) with a shirt geometry that doesn't need to open? And make the gap where the tie goes narrow so it looks right? Please? Or just make a dickey prop with a rigged clip-on tie prop?
I will keep that in mind for the next men's business shirt :)
dforce is 100% the best option here. You can give anything a Dforce modifier. Some of the mens shirts aren't welded correctly though. One of them has the buttons kind of glued on as a strip. I dforced the shirt and the strip just fell right off!
Mada, I purchased this addon based off this thread alonee. I would have passed this up since I have no interest in Chow, but I have been looking for a quality dforce business shirt and low and behold. So far, works great, exactly what I needed!
i was wondering if you could point out where to go to enable the dynamic surface add on so it will simulate open as I have not been able to figure it out.
Yes a lot of items created before dForce are not welded since it wasn't an issue at that time.
Thank you. It would also be great if you finally solved the Italian suit jacket famine (2 separate geometries for open & closed jackets, pointed shoulder morphs).
Discobob and Zev0 developed an add-on called Fit Control for several figures, but the reason currently escapes me.
It was developed before Dforce and still has a few uses.
I use Fit Control most of the time before and after applying dForce, for minor adjustments. Together they improve realism, as well as fixing pokethrough, especially with layered clothing.
Thanks for showing this. I just put the outfit into my cart. I think when I saw it in the store I thought it necessarily had the attached vest.
Thanks for this!
JD
Oops I missed this question before - hopefully you figured it out meanwhile - if you go in the scene tab to the shirt and expand it you'll see the dynamic add-on, you can either delete it or just hide it - both should remove it from the sim :)
LOL, thanks Mada, yeah, I got it figured out, appreciate it though! Keep up the great work!