5'10" is really tall.
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Wow, apparently I am tall when everyone else I know, and that would be the almost 15,000 people in my hometown think I, at 5.5" am short.
Someone's height has nothing to do with what is normal in the world and everything to do with genetics and environment, that's why Russians and Scandinavian 's are considered tall and Europeans at one time considered short. Of all the people have I met, since I have moved many times and lived in most the provinces, litterally have been from one end of the country to the other, as well as many of the States in the US I can tell you quite honestly that the average height of most women is between 5.5 aand 5.7. In Kelowna, British Columbia with it's more then 100,000 people, I am considered short. In Winnepeg Manitoba with it's more then 800,000 people I am considered average height. Finally, in Newfoundland, in the town I live in of about 20,000 people, I'm tall compared to the majority of people I have met. As for the men I have met in these various places, the average height in most of them is less then 6ft, the norm being around 5.6 to 5.9. I have dated guys who are taller then 6ft, it's a great way to get a kink in your neck, but those heights I find are rare.
This information comes from most of Canada and just about all the States that border Canada and that is a very large area.
I have also had problems with it comes to matching a figure to a prop for size, like sitting on a chair and their are definitely sizing problems with this.
Five and a half inches certainly seems pretty short to me
I use the Scale slider extensively.
That being said, it scales EVERYTHING under the character. When you're dealing with Props that should be of a static scale (like a gun, cell phone, purse, sword, etc), then it gets slightly more complicated. Your big105% scale Christian 8 figure with have a prop at 105% scale, and your 90% scale Victoria 8 will have a prop that is 90% scale... even though they might otherwise be the exact same standard-size prop, like an assault rifle or an iPhone. (When you hand your iPhone to another person, it doesn't change in scale in real life.)
That's where you need to do some math to figure out what you need to scale your props to in order to overcom your base figure's scale. It's kind of a pain, but you figure it out.
I think height can depend where you live. I grew up in NYC and moved to LA and both cities have a lot of tall women because most modeling agencies are located in NYC or LA. Girls come from all the world trying to become a model, most don't make it and end up being a nurse or a real estate agent or boutique salesperson or lawyer or whatever, so you get all these tall gorgeous people in ordinary jobs who never made it as models and actors...
"Averages" are generally collected Scientifically, not by a single casual observation, so what one person sees in their lifetime is always going to be different from what several people observe in a widespread area over a length of time. You cannot simply say "x" is average, and I'm sure that's not what's going on here, but the replies seem to indicate that. Do you live in a basketball town? You're going to see a lot of tall people. Do you live in a town with lots of models, as stated above? Then again, more tall people. Do you live in a farming area? Again, more likely to find big and tall.
I work with full-grown adults of literally all shapes and sizes; from the 6-foot eight-inch tall College guy to the 4-foot tall woman in her 50s. I work with adults who shop in the children's department because that's the only place to find clothes that fit.
The problem with doing this as a product instead of a basic function is there will be several products that claim to do the same thing, and no refund policy, no demo, or any other way to guarantee that any one will be 100% satisfactory to every customer (i.e. as realistic as they observe in their daily lives). Make it part of the basic figure.
Simone Biles, arguably the G.O.A.T. of gymnastics, is 4'8". Here she is with Maria Sharapova, 6'2". She actually likes taking pictures with really tall people, LoL!
Being the virtual world can one not make any figure any size?
...crikey she's smaller than my "namesake" who is 4'11". I had a friend in college who was 4'10" who often could get into the cinema on a child's ticket as she also looked young even though she was in her early 20s..
Did I mention she likes taking pictures with really tall people? LoL You have 3 guesses who the big guy is, and your first two don't count, but he is 7'1"...
Average height of 18-year-old women in the USA in 2014: 6' 4.4" (163.54 cm)
That's an actual number from a reputable source: http://www.ncdrisc.org/data-downloads-height.html
(Other countries and earlier years are available in the download on that page. The above entry is the line for 1996, because it lists the birth year; women born in 1996 are 18 in 2014.)
Sadly you meant to type 5' 4.4" (64.4"=163.54cm)
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Ah, the ongoing height wars.
The 99th percentile for American women is 5'9-3/4".
When all your characters are 6 inches taller than average, all your desks and countertops look 3 inches too low, all your cars look cramped, people in doorways don't look natural, etc.
I'm def going to revive Anthroposer (except it needs a new name, as there will be DAZ and blender versions). I'm toying with names that combine anthropometric and appropriate or proportional. I really like "anthroproportional". If "right size" didn't have so many negative connotations.
Also something that takes a 4 layer model (accurate bones, incompressible muscle and fat, stretchable skin) and reverse engineers the fat, muscle, and bones from a 3D hull like a DAZ model, then reduces it to a surprisingly simple set of parameters. It will also "skim out" the impossible stuff (as it's adjusting practical bones, muscles and fat) and fit the impossible to common conventions like anime, save them as aliens or werewolves, or repair them. There are a lot of DAZ figures that simply have muscles in the wrong places. Le Grande Oldalesque dies in 2020.
160cm "5 feet 3" seems rather tiny for a "worldwide average" or at least based on old numbers. I have been and lived all over the world, (Europe Asia) etc. and from thousands upon thousands of people I've seen very few that height and even fewer below. For that to be average there would need to be billions and billions of people around or below that height.
Then again, I haven't been to the US where everyone is apparently tiny. Which is another thing to remember, the female characters could not be from the US at all, so their heights are much more "normal".
The only problem i've had with the recent characters is Darcy 8. Who has a really, reeeeally massive head. Once you see it, you can't not see it every single time.
Yes.
Yes, we're all very tiny here. We can't take showers or run a load of laundry without risk of drowning. And forget trying to shovel snow or walk in the rain!
That explains why so many films are made in the US! They can get away with using minature sets!!
I know this Genesis 3 but here's something I put together a while ago. Scaled from Monique at 6' to Tween Julie at 5' 2". Default characters and skins.
How do they actaully come up with an "average" height? Maybe take a group of people in one area, maybe 1,000, then add all of their heights together and then divide that number by the number of people? That would give an "average" number, but what is really meant by "average" height? I'm 5'4", but I've worked with other women who were 4'10" up to about 6'. I don't know what they really mean by "average." Is there an "average"? Everyone is different. But I just scale my figures. Regarding the photo earlier in this post with the two women of drastically different heights, notice the sizes of their heads. The taller woman's head is considerably larger than the shorter woman. So I don't think resizing the head is necessary. Just my thoughts.
Presuming that the question was not rethorical :)
Binomial Distribution
You're talking about the mean, which is only useful if the probability of being all heights is the same. Height is one of those phenomena that we know follows a binomial distribution, and because of that, there is extra information in there. If you used the entire Daz population, you could probably see if it is skewed to the left or right, was assymetric, misshapen, or with mutliple peaks, which would all indicate there was something at work besides Mother Nature. Math doesn't lie.
I have to agree with the original poster. Most of the female figures are "model height," or leggy and tall.
There's nothing wrong with it, but it does seem to be a bit uniform and overly tall.
A lot of what we think of as "average" comes from what we see when we walk the streets or watch TV/Movies...
I'm nearly 60 years old, and in the decades I've seen passing by, I usually managed to be on the larger side of male height with my 188 cm (~6' 2" or so), which I reached when I was 17.
That's with living in northern Germany, where since the days of the romans people were likely to be on the "larger" side. Over the years, slowly there seemed to be more people of my height running around, but still very rarely female ones, who usually stood up to my shoulders or a bit higher... And there was maybe a handful of females I met (or saw on the streets) larger than me.
And for what we see on TV and movies, here's a list of heights for actors and actresses that can be found (with some historical tidbits) at https://www.npr.org/2012/12/07/166400760/hollywood-heights-the-ups-downs-and-in-betweens?t=1577881748066
Celebrity heights, as reported in the press.
Leading Men (Average American male: 5 feet 9.5 inches)
Dolph Lundgren — 6 feet 5 inches
John Cleese — 6 feet 5 inches
Michael Clarke Duncan — 6 feet 5 inches
Vince Vaughn — 6 feet 5 inches
Clint Eastwood — 6 feet 4 inches
Jimmy Stewart — 6 feet 3 inches
Bill Murray — 6 feet 1.5 inches
Gene Hackman — 6 feet 2 inches
James Earl Jones — 6 feet 1 inch
Elvis Presley — 5 feet 11.75 inches
Brad Pitt — 5 feet 11 inches
Jamie Foxx — 5 feet 9 inches
Fred Astaire — 5 feet 9 inches
Antonio Banderas — 5 feet 8.5 inches
Anthony Hopkins — 5 feet 8.5 inches
Ryan Philippe — 5 feet 8.5 inches
Humphrey Bogart — 5 feet 8 inches
Robert Downey Jr. — 5 feet 8 inches
Stan Laurel — 5 feet 8 inches
Tom Cruise — 5 feet 7.75 inches
Martin Short — 5 feet 6.5 inches
Woody Allen — 5 feet 6 inches
Jack Black — 5 feet 6 inches
Al Pacino — 5 feet 6 inches
Daniel Radcliffe — 5 feet 6 inches
Bono — 5 feet 6 inches
Joe Pesci — 5 feet 4 inches
James Cagney — 5 feet 4 inches
Seth Green — 5 feet 3 inches
Danny DeVito — 4 feet 10 inches
Gary Coleman — 4 feet 7 inches
Verne Troyer — 2 feet 8 inches
Leading Ladies (Average American female: 5 feet 4 inches)
Uma Thurman — 6 feet 0 inches
Brooke Shields — 6 feet 0 inches
Jane Lynch — 6 feet 0 inches
Nicole Kidman — 5 feet 11 inches
Tilda Swinton — 5 feet 10.5 inches
Katie Holmes — 5 feet 9 inches
Julia Roberts — 5 feet 10 inches
Cameron Diaz — 5 feet 9 inches
Maggie Gyllenhaal — 5 feet 9 inches
Gwyneth Paltrow — 5 feet 9 inches
Angelina Jolie — 5 feet 6.5 inches
Marilyn Monroe — 5 feet 5.5 inches
Gina Lollobrigida — 5 feet 5 inches
Glenn Close — 5 feet 4 inches
Natalie Portman — 5 feet 3 inches
Sally Field — 5 feet 3 inches
Reese Witherspoon — 5 feet 3 inches
Jodie Foster — 5 feet 3 inches
Elizabeth Taylor — 5 feet 2 inches
Lindsay Lohan — 5 feet 2 inches
Holly Hunter — 5 feet 2 inches
Bette Midler — 5 feet 1 inches
Christina Ricci — 5 feet 1 inches
Judi Dench — 5 feet 1 inches
Dolly Parton — 5 feet 0 inches
Judy Garland — 4 feet 11 inches
Zelda Rubinstein — 4 feet 3 inches
All of the above should be taken with a grain of salt, because, you know, vanity.
This list comes quite close to what I experience nowadays when going out to the streets... Couple guys being taller than me, most being smaller. A few females being close to my height, but most of them smaller or a lot smaller than me.
So for me the DAZ girls are above what I expect to see as "normal height" :P
@TheMysteryIsThePoint "Math doesn't lie."
Couldn't let this go. Math doesn't kie, but data set selection and interpretation of results leaves a lot of room for "creativity".
"the entire Daz population, you could probably see if it is skewed to the left or right . . . . something at work besides Mother Nature"
I also trust that you don't actually expect artist created models to necessarily follow some real world distribution.
Total agreement! I brought this up in a previous thread-
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/120886/tiny-petite-g3fs/p1
In that thread, Fisty made a morph that models petiteness and it really worked for me...
Yes Height morph is my friend dialing it UP because I love my shawty's
;P