dForce Medieval Barmaid for Genesis 8 Female - not medieval
cherpenbeck
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I know, it looks a lot like that stuff you see at pseudo-medieval festivals. And it looks nice.
But definitely not medieval.
Starting with colors. Barmaids or serving wenches were lower class with sparse access to dyed fabrics. Off-white, gray and brown were common.
Next, corset. Not medieval fashion, At all. That came later.
Then, the overskirt. Maybe, a wealthy woman would wear one. A barmaid was much, much more likely to wear an apron. Would be more sensible as well, considering her profession and workplace.
Besides, blouse and skirt? A woman did wear a chemise and a gown, a one-piece dress, long and never clinging to the body. And such sleeves would have been a nightmare when doing the loudry or kitchenwork.
And the headwear.is totally modern stuff. Any rescectable woman would wear a headveil. And working class women did wear headscarfes and often simple hoods beneath, without ruffles.
So, if you really wish to do medieval renders, this is not your choice dress. Anything else, fantasy, whatever, it's fine.
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I enjoy medieval historical accuracy myself, but I'm also pretty darn aware I'm not going to find it (except in extremely rare cases) among Daz and Poser products. I'll save my ire for inaccurrate, impractical weaponry.
Anyway, thanks for bringing up the product, because now I'm probably going to buy it, too. You should go into marketing if you're not already, OP.
As a PA we make stuff to look good in renders.....DAZ is no were close to a historical society
I don't expect Daz products to pass any Society for Creative Anachronism tests for accuracy, but I have to agree that this one is way off. The outfit has some great pieces that would work well for kitbashing, which I love to do, but there's nothing at all reminiscent of medieval or renaissance times.
With some embroidered fabric textures, it would do great as Bavarian.
it hasn't got heels
Yeah, I don't remember women dressing like that in my former medieval times past lives.
not enough lift in the bosoms
As I said - looks nice, useful for other stuff, just definitely not medieval.
I just mentioned this outfit as a slight warning to people who do book covers for historical novels. You can be absolutely sure there are always readers who know enough about historical fashion to point out such errors. Sometimes even resulting in a bad review (bad for sales).
To get that, you will have to change times. Renaissance shows much more revealing clothing!
Good point. Wishlisted .
Yay!
Please continue to make stuff that looks good in renders. Many customers render. I don't. I spend too much time acquiring and sorting stuff to be rendered to actually render - but if I ever do render, I want it to look good.
BTW - I am hoping that vast majority of my RAWART catalog is NOT realistic. Scary! But looks great in renders.
Tending Toward Realism
- but I'm glad there are some vendors who do get closer to realism. For one example, see @Meshitup
https://www.daz3d.com/meshitup
And your stuff is very good indeed, RawArt.
Obviously, Daz isn't a historical re-creation site, but, really, it should have been called Fantasy Barmaid. Then at least it's accurate in some fashion :-) Two steps and that 'chemise' is going to fall off! Maybe 'barmaid' isn't quite the profession being aimed for...? ;-)
One would hope that an artist making something to sell as a book cover would do some research first...but...yeah... *shrugs*
Somehow, the book cover industry has survived bouts of showing more torso than was probably 'realistic' during medieval times. Here is a screenshot of some search results.
Apparently, 'sex sells' has not yet declined in relation to 'realism sells,' at least in terms of book covers.
EDIT: I probably shouldnt say 'sex sells," it is probably more accurate to say 'torsos sell.'
Actually, many of those are closer to accurate, at least for the female of the upper classes. Half-naked men... well, you have to change gambesons sometime...
I am sure in medieval times people were not as pretty as they are on book covers either. Cant really see them hitting the gym for perfectly sculpted muscles and lack of oral hygeine would make for some gnarly teeth, and lets face it, washing may not have been a daily occurance either.
So maybe a pretty dress is not the biggest worry in accuracy LOL
Well, before the introduction of sugar to basically all food, including bread, the teeth of the people had not been that bad.
Apparently teeth weren't necesarily that bad - less oral hygeine was offset by a much less sugary diet
But the first thing I noticed with all those covers - look at all that loose uncovered hair! What harlots! For shame.
also why do the men have pants? Real manly men wear minidresses and tights
Actually, tooth powders were a thing, scrubbed on with rough linen, and the lack of refined sugars and carbs in their diet probably kept their teeth reasonably decent, if not perfectly straight. They also rinsed with water in the morning, as well as with herb-infused waters for fresh breath, and chewed fresh herbs such as mint or made pellets of them which were considered medicinal. There weren't gyms, so you wouldn't get sculpting, but people who worked _really_ worked. Pretty is certainly in the eye of the beholder, I grant you, but given they had noses as we do, and they had words to describe people who smelled bad, there were established levels of cleanliness :-) Full-immersion bathing occasionally fell out of favour, but washing never did. No, they didn't have deoderant, but they had perfumes, and they didn't have modern make-up to hide their complexions, but the use of cosmetics in general is ancient, if occasionally lethal.
Some people care more about accuracy, depending on what they are using Daz assets for. I, personally, would love more authentic clothing so I could do medieval pin-ups :-D It would matter to me, because I know enough to be judgemental, and the people I would be sharing with do, too. There's nothing wrong with fantasy barmaid-wear, but I actually like the way authentic clothing looks... and if you look at the scandalous necklines of the Italian Renaissance, you'll see that it often had a heavy emphasis on displaying assets :-)
So not only is it not medieval, but it's not a barmaid's outfit either? Did they even have "bars" in medieval times? Wouldn't that have been, uh, "tavern wench"? Wenches have a lot more latitude in their attire than maids. Wenching was a thing, whereas maiding, not so much. Geralt spent at least as much time wenching as he did witching.
Bars weren't really a thing... public houses (pubs) or alehouses were usually only in larger areas towards the latter half of the medieval era as specialized work became concentrated; originally, most people brewed, and drank, in their homes, or at the homes of neighbors who were better brewers than they were if they could afford to :-) At that point, it was only ale, and often aged very little - overnight was considered sufficient, and made the water safer to drink at a fairly low alcohol level, as well as being nutritious with grain sediment and yeast. Wine was for the wealthy.
Ravenhair has provided us with many wonderful outfits over many years - and this one is also very nice again. Therefore I gladly forgive her for the mistake, although I am at least as strict as cherpenbeck in this respect.
Maybe it wasn't Ravenhair's fault; maybe the name comes from Daz; 'Middle Ages' always sells well... What I have seen under this designation in various shops is hard to believe. For some people, the Middle Ages seem to begin with Caesar and end with Queen Victoria... LOL
Thanks to cherpenbeck for the informations, which hopefully will prevent some misunderstandings about medieval clothing from being spread.
Daz Middle Ages apparently had cyborgs too.
https://www.daz3d.com/medieval-cyborg-chariot-for-genesis-8-male
It's a pretty outfit, and I love the textures - and I will buy it, but for fantasy contexts, not medieval.
And I'd love historically accurate shift and overdress outfits, medieval or early modern, but I understand they're not everybody's cup of tea (and probably harder to make in some ways as well).
as the sales state, most want fantasy not accuracy anyway
don't feel bad about it
it will be perfect for Game of Thrones, Witcher,Skyrim etc style fantasy