NFT''s - again? You ARE kidding, aren't you?

nicstt

I'm happy to give to charity.

No matter the excuse, I'm NOT even contemplating purchasing NFTs; it seems (note seems like as in my opinion) like a synical attemtpt to get folks to buy something shoddy.

Another reason my visits are far less, and my spending is the same.

Edit

AAPI (and many others): It's something so aweful, so life-damaging and Daz turn it into a marketing campaign.

... Seriously, get a damn clue.

Asari

plasma_ring said:

NFT is NFT... it's not value in itself. It's only a vehicle, and if the underlying thing (art) has little value, then the NFT has no value.

They should be--and I think are--aware that the biggest risks to their relevance are Blender and Unreal (yes, even if they got an Epic grant). They are absolutely smart to not sit still on their position as the program that makes 3D art accessible, because Blender is going to eventually be just as easy to pick up and run with as Daz at a beginner level. What they needed was visibility in markets where artists would love to do renders, but the blocker for them is lack of interest in 3D modeling or no time to learn. What they decided on was, I guess, "Hey there are probably a lot of people who have never done digital art wanting to make NFTs!"

That's an interesting view on things and I would love to see that happen. I tried out Blender a long time ago and gave up early because it was too complex for me back then. Now I'm doing things in Maya and Arnold but I wasnt able to do a dent in Maya without going through an entire 3D modeling course that taught the basics of modeling, rigging, UV, texturing and animation. And Blender didn't seem easier nor more intuitive to use than Maya to me. That's not criticism on my part, apps like these are not supposed to be easy to use and have a steep learning curve. I was just curious because at the moment because I can't imagine these apps to become click-load-render kind of easy for beginners like DAZ can be. How would that look like?

BlueFingers

Gordig said:

BlueFingers said:

SnowSultan said:

OK, I think some of you are really stretching by saying they're exploiting hate crimes against Asians for monetary gain and whatnot. None of us like NFTs, but if you needed any Asian-themed content that happens to be in this bundle, at least some of the money is going to a charity to help this serious problem. 

Pacific nations are being threatend by climate change because of sea level rise, Kiribati already has evacuation plans. So selling NFTs to combat hate agains Asians and Pacific Islanders to me does not make sense at all. If Daz really wanted to be on the right side of both issues, they could stop selling NFTs and donate the money directly they would have made on those NFTs.

We could stop climate change dead in its tracks, and that wouldn't do a thing to address hate crimes again AAPI individuals, because they're wholly unrelated problems.

True the two subjects do not intersect for most people, but I also hope you can see that if you are from Asian/Pacific Islander heritage, something being pushed that contributes to the threat of Pacific Nations (NFTs) to the benefit of people like you (AAPI) feels really bad. So yes they are related for some.

BlueFingers

cridgit said:

marble said:

Am I the only one who is a little uncomfortable about using a disturbing social trend of violence and hatred towards a particular community as a commercial promotion theme? Notwithstanding the fact that a percentage of the proceeds go to the relevant charity, a statement and/or donation could have been made without attempting to reap the benefits of advertising product.

I'm with you mate. It disgusts me no end. 

Totally with you.

TheMysteryIsThePoint

I wish Daz would concentrate more on its customers' demands.

Artini

Just read what is written on: https://blog.daz3d.com/can-i-sell-my-art-as-an-nft/

"After all, what do you have to lose?"

I think, I could loose a money on "Pay a fee to process the listing".

Then, I think I loose a lot of time on "Wait for the NFT to sell".

 

Artini

By the way, does anybody has succeded on "cash out the money on apps like Coinbase" from selling NFT?

It is listed on https://blog.daz3d.com/can-i-sell-my-art-as-an-nft/

Panzer Emerald

BlueFingers said:

cridgit said:

marble said:

Am I the only one who is a little uncomfortable about using a disturbing social trend of violence and hatred towards a particular community as a commercial promotion theme? Notwithstanding the fact that a percentage of the proceeds go to the relevant charity, a statement and/or donation could have been made without attempting to reap the benefits of advertising product.

I'm with you mate. It disgusts me no end. 

Totally with you.

Hard agree.

This is beyond disgusting and is so morally reprehensible. Did no one in marketing speak up at all about how horrifically tasteless this is? 

mrposer

I have no idea how this NFT works. All I know is I am glad the biting baby will disappear from the internet and that I see hundreds of DAZ renders in the Gallery that are as good or better than this featured NFT. 

Orphanslayer69

AAPI and NFT's... trying to be woke while simultaneously destroying the environment. 

Havos

One of the things that baffles me about this whole matter is why they think DAZ customers are the most likely people to want to buy NFTs. I mean, I can understand that there are artists here that might be interested in selling their art as an NFT, to supplement what is likely to be a pretty low income. However if they really want to sell this stuff would it not be better to do so on some investor website, where people with more money than sense would think this is something they can buy now and then sell later for a big fat profit.

By selling the stuff here they seem to be pissing off a good slice of their loyal customer base, but I would be very surprised if even one customer have actually bought any of this crap.

takezo_3001

The proven way to sell your stuff is to create a niche genre that someone would want to support either through commissions and/or Patreon, nfts are a garbage way of doing this as I have yet to see any of these pieces even sell!

The Blurst of Times

Artini said:

Just read what is written on: https://blog.daz3d.com/can-i-sell-my-art-as-an-nft/

"After all, what do you have to lose?"

I think, I could loose a money on "Pay a fee to process the listing".

Then, I think I loose a lot of time on "Wait for the NFT to sell".

 

I have some crypto, maybe $hundreds? One of the social media sites that I participate in has a crypto "economy" behind it.

It's the "gas fees" that kill the value (the transaction/processing cost).

...

If some rich dude wants to commission art? They can pay me and skip the crypto gas fees LOL... that is, if I ever did want to do this professionally and tried to market my work for commissions, etc.

Crypto is not a replacement for creating business value in your work. It's just Wall Street math monkeys creating fake value.

Yes, there's some value there in speculation (bitcoin, doge, etc.), but the business of art is not selling anonymous tokens into the internet. Trading NFT & saying you have an art business seems like saying you are a computer engineer because you own GOOG stock.

Kaleb242

I have zero crypto, and want nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or NFTs purchased with crypto (or purchased with any other form of currency for that matter)... not now, not ever.

The whole concept of non-fungibilty is a joke... and cryptocurrency is a heist.

The world's energy is being syphoned off in the name of greed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/28/bitcoin-mine-discovered-by-uk-police-on-cannabis-farm-raid-.html

Torquinox

Here's another article on the topic, as if all the preceding articles did not spell it out clearly enough.

The title alone captures the gist of it. Non-fungible tokens aren’t a harmless digital fad – they’re a disaster for our planet

Nerevarine

Got the e-mail through this morning. Unsubbed from the newsletter. I'm still not spending a penny here but I do have an order that I need to buy Daz assets for. I'm umming and ahhing and desperate to find what I need on other sites.

jjmainor

BlueFingers said:

Gordig said:

BlueFingers said:

SnowSultan said:

OK, I think some of you are really stretching by saying they're exploiting hate crimes against Asians for monetary gain and whatnot. None of us like NFTs, but if you needed any Asian-themed content that happens to be in this bundle, at least some of the money is going to a charity to help this serious problem. 

Pacific nations are being threatend by climate change because of sea level rise, Kiribati already has evacuation plans. So selling NFTs to combat hate agains Asians and Pacific Islanders to me does not make sense at all. If Daz really wanted to be on the right side of both issues, they could stop selling NFTs and donate the money directly they would have made on those NFTs.

We could stop climate change dead in its tracks, and that wouldn't do a thing to address hate crimes again AAPI individuals, because they're wholly unrelated problems.

True the two subjects do not intersect for most people, but I also hope you can see that if you are from Asian/Pacific Islander heritage, something being pushed that contributes to the threat of Pacific Nations (NFTs) to the benefit of people like you (AAPI) feels really bad. So yes they are related for some.

 

While I get the sentiment and I definitely see it from yourr POV, I think you're forgetting companies have been doing this for a long time.  "Buy product X and we'll donate Y% of the profits to charity."  Do you stop buying all Proctor and Gamble products because they only donate a portion of the profits for a particular month to the Susan G Komen foundation?  Do you stop shopping at grocery stores when they put up a collection bin for the local food bank?  After all, the expectation is that you'll buy the canned goods from them, and hence they're still making profit off your donation to that bin.  Or what about actors or musicians who promote a cause asking you to donate instead of donating some of their millions to the cause?  They claim they're donating their time, but really, that time "buys" them free publicity, and reminds you that they're still out there.  Do you cancel them because they're just using the exposure for their gain?

 

I agree it looks funny when they're donating 100% of the NFT profits, but only 50% of the bundle profits, but at least it's something.  And at least it draws attention to the issue.

McGyver

Despite not wanting to give clicks to this nonsense, I checked out the linked opensea's page and encountered:

This page has gone off the grid

We've got a 404 error and explored deep and wide, but we can't find the page you were looking for.

 

I went back twice, and I still get the same message... not sure if that means it's actually gone or if it's some sort of a Cloudflare kinda issue or whatever?

I think it would have been nice to just do a donation to the charity sorta thing and have entirely skipped the NFT baloney, knowing how much folks here have disdain for such stuff, but yeah... 

allenfesler_2df6b6e506

Kaleb242 said:

What's next... an NFT with all proceeds going to support First Responders, and a link to buy the Frontline Heroes Bundle again?

An NFT on Memorial Day with 50% of proceeds going to support fallen heroes and military families with a link to buy Graveyard Bits 'n Pieces and the Delta Alpha Zulu Bundle if you buy or own From the Baracks Bundle?

Careful there - you'll give them ideas! 

BlueFingers

jjmainor said:

BlueFingers said:

Gordig said:

BlueFingers said:

SnowSultan said:

OK, I think some of you are really stretching by saying they're exploiting hate crimes against Asians for monetary gain and whatnot. None of us like NFTs, but if you needed any Asian-themed content that happens to be in this bundle, at least some of the money is going to a charity to help this serious problem. 

Pacific nations are being threatend by climate change because of sea level rise, Kiribati already has evacuation plans. So selling NFTs to combat hate agains Asians and Pacific Islanders to me does not make sense at all. If Daz really wanted to be on the right side of both issues, they could stop selling NFTs and donate the money directly they would have made on those NFTs.

We could stop climate change dead in its tracks, and that wouldn't do a thing to address hate crimes again AAPI individuals, because they're wholly unrelated problems.

True the two subjects do not intersect for most people, but I also hope you can see that if you are from Asian/Pacific Islander heritage, something being pushed that contributes to the threat of Pacific Nations (NFTs) to the benefit of people like you (AAPI) feels really bad. So yes they are related for some.

 

While I get the sentiment and I definitely see it from yourr POV, I think you're forgetting companies have been doing this for a long time.  "Buy product X and we'll donate Y% of the profits to charity."  Do you stop buying all Proctor and Gamble products because they only donate a portion of the profits for a particular month to the Susan G Komen foundation?  Do you stop shopping at grocery stores when they put up a collection bin for the local food bank?  After all, the expectation is that you'll buy the canned goods from them, and hence they're still making profit off your donation to that bin.  Or what about actors or musicians who promote a cause asking you to donate instead of donating some of their millions to the cause?  They claim they're donating their time, but really, that time "buys" them free publicity, and reminds you that they're still out there.  Do you cancel them because they're just using the exposure for their gain?

 

I agree it looks funny when they're donating 100% of the NFT profits, but only 50% of the bundle profits, but at least it's something.  And at least it draws attention to the issue.

I have no issue with organizations or people supporting charity, where did I say that?

I have an issue with saying you care about a certain people, while simultantiously promoting products that are seriously threating the places where they came from, and most likely still have family. That is not caring, it is not funny, and it's ignorant at best.

namffuak

McGyver said:

Despite not wanting to give clicks to this nonsense, I checked out the linked opensea's page and encountered:

This page has gone off the grid

We've got a 404 error and explored deep and wide, but we can't find the page you were looking for.

 

I went back twice, and I still get the same message... not sure if that means it's actually gone or if it's some sort of a Cloudflare kinda issue or whatever?

I think it would have been nice to just do a donation to the charity sorta thing and have entirely skipped the NFT baloney, knowing how much folks here have disdain for such stuff, but yeah... 

Still there - two bids, reserve price not met.

cridgit

BlueFingers said:

jjmainor said:

BlueFingers said:

Gordig said:

BlueFingers said:

SnowSultan said:

OK, I think some of you are really stretching by saying they're exploiting hate crimes against Asians for monetary gain and whatnot. None of us like NFTs, but if you needed any Asian-themed content that happens to be in this bundle, at least some of the money is going to a charity to help this serious problem. 

Pacific nations are being threatend by climate change because of sea level rise, Kiribati already has evacuation plans. So selling NFTs to combat hate agains Asians and Pacific Islanders to me does not make sense at all. If Daz really wanted to be on the right side of both issues, they could stop selling NFTs and donate the money directly they would have made on those NFTs.

We could stop climate change dead in its tracks, and that wouldn't do a thing to address hate crimes again AAPI individuals, because they're wholly unrelated problems.

True the two subjects do not intersect for most people, but I also hope you can see that if you are from Asian/Pacific Islander heritage, something being pushed that contributes to the threat of Pacific Nations (NFTs) to the benefit of people like you (AAPI) feels really bad. So yes they are related for some.

 

While I get the sentiment and I definitely see it from yourr POV, I think you're forgetting companies have been doing this for a long time.  "Buy product X and we'll donate Y% of the profits to charity."  Do you stop buying all Proctor and Gamble products because they only donate a portion of the profits for a particular month to the Susan G Komen foundation?  Do you stop shopping at grocery stores when they put up a collection bin for the local food bank?  After all, the expectation is that you'll buy the canned goods from them, and hence they're still making profit off your donation to that bin.  Or what about actors or musicians who promote a cause asking you to donate instead of donating some of their millions to the cause?  They claim they're donating their time, but really, that time "buys" them free publicity, and reminds you that they're still out there.  Do you cancel them because they're just using the exposure for their gain?

 

I agree it looks funny when they're donating 100% of the NFT profits, but only 50% of the bundle profits, but at least it's something.  And at least it draws attention to the issue.

I have no issue with organizations or people supporting charity, where did I say that?

I have an issue with saying you care about a certain people, while simultantiously promoting products that are seriously threating the places where they came from, and most likely still have family. That is not caring, it is not funny, and it's ignorant at best.

+1 

nonesuch00

Kaleb242 said:

I have zero crypto, and want nothing to do with cryptocurrencies or NFTs purchased with crypto (or purchased with any other form of currency for that matter)... not now, not ever.

The whole concept of non-fungibilty is a joke... and cryptocurrency is a heist.

The world's energy is being syphoned off in the name of greed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/28/bitcoin-mine-discovered-by-uk-police-on-cannabis-farm-raid-.html

That storyline is Galactus coming to Earth to siphon off all it's energy in the Fantastic Four comics! 

Cerrag

Don't know if anyone's posted this but SNL did a skit about NFT's that I think about every time it's mentioned.  It makes me laugh so thought I'd share it. 

AllenArt

Cerrag said:

Don't know if anyone's posted this but SNL did a skit about NFT's that I think about every time it's mentioned.  It makes me laugh so thought I'd share it. 

All I can say is....

No wonder I haven't watched SNL since the early 90s....LOL  

Diomede

RE: NFT financial issues.  Please be aware of potential regulatory uncertainty for folks subject to US law, or interacting with folks subject to US law.

There are a number of financial issues that may be 'clarified' by the Securities and Exchange Commission, or not, in coming months or years.   I offer no answers to frequently asked questions.  I offer no personal opinions.  I merely refer people to issues raised by parties seeking regulatory clarification by the SEC for a number of related issues.  Here is one example. 

https://www.sec.gov/rules/petitions/2021/petn4-771.pdf

 

 

 

 

Cerrag

Lol, right!?  SNL is about as dumb as NFT's.

j cade

AllenArt said:

Cerrag said:

Don't know if anyone's posted this but SNL did a skit about NFT's that I think about every time it's mentioned.  It makes me laugh so thought I'd share it. 

All I can say is....

No wonder I haven't watched SNL since the early 90s....LOL  

TBF its not really pro or making fun of NFTs. its a straightforward Eminem parody. If you didnt sped time in your youth listening to any rap its probably going to miss you

 

 

(although parodying Without Me is an odd choice since its already funny and with way more of an edge than SNL ever had)

Jabba

I haven't read all four pages of input into this subject, but all I'll say is that I'm getting to the age where I've become a lot less vocal about stuff I don't like - I simply side-step and spend money on stuff that I do like.

 

NFT markeplaces exist, but I have zero interest so haven't even checked them out...  That said, I never checked out Bitcoin when it started either, LOL.

plasma_ring

Havos said:

One of the things that baffles me about this whole matter is why they think DAZ customers are the most likely people to want to buy NFTs. I mean, I can understand that there are artists here that might be interested in selling their art as an NFT, to supplement what is likely to be a pretty low income. However if they really want to sell this stuff would it not be better to do so on some investor website, where people with more money than sense would think this is something they can buy now and then sell later for a big fat profit.

By selling the stuff here they seem to be pissing off a good slice of their loyal customer base, but I would be very surprised if even one customer have actually bought any of this crap.

This is just my best guess based on the information we have, but I don't think they're trying to sell NFTs to Daz customers. I think they're trying to sell the concept of NFTs as a reason to use their products and services. You want some of that mad money but you don't know how to do 3D? Here you go! In that case, their NFTs not selling well is more of an embarrassment than a failed venture and just makes the idea that you can easily turn their assets into NFT sales way more dubious.  

I can even see why they did it; many of the early NFT superstars, including beeple, use Daz assets in their work. Under normal circumstances, this would be a no-brainer. But NFTs are so (understandably) divisive that it's impossible to not alienate people with this, and whether they care or not it is making a provocative values statement. Selling inclusive products and tying sales to charity to promote it is par for the course with NFTs and unethical tech in general--every massive company with ridiculous overreach uses images of a diverse workforce on their website and talks a good game about climate change and makes donations to social justice causes while also using every evil corp in cyberpunk fiction as their five-year roadmap.

Asari said:

plasma_ring said:

NFT is NFT... it's not value in itself. It's only a vehicle, and if the underlying thing (art) has little value, then the NFT has no value.

They should be--and I think are--aware that the biggest risks to their relevance are Blender and Unreal (yes, even if they got an Epic grant). They are absolutely smart to not sit still on their position as the program that makes 3D art accessible, because Blender is going to eventually be just as easy to pick up and run with as Daz at a beginner level. What they needed was visibility in markets where artists would love to do renders, but the blocker for them is lack of interest in 3D modeling or no time to learn. What they decided on was, I guess, "Hey there are probably a lot of people who have never done digital art wanting to make NFTs!"

That's an interesting view on things and I would love to see that happen. I tried out Blender a long time ago and gave up early because it was too complex for me back then. Now I'm doing things in Maya and Arnold but I wasnt able to do a dent in Maya without going through an entire 3D modeling course that taught the basics of modeling, rigging, UV, texturing and animation. And Blender didn't seem easier nor more intuitive to use than Maya to me. That's not criticism on my part, apps like these are not supposed to be easy to use and have a steep learning curve. I was just curious because at the moment because I can't imagine these apps to become click-load-render kind of easy for beginners like DAZ can be. How would that look like?

I'm not sure! It's interesting to think about. Game dev and content creation in general is moving toward providing services that don't have a steep learning curve, or trying to; I see variations on "You don't have to be an expert in [skillset] to use this, just concentrate on your art!" in a lot of website copy for creative software lately. Most haven't entirely succeeded in making that work, though, since even the reportedly super user-friendly intuitive programs still require you to learn a lot of fundamentals before you can jump in and start making things without getting stuck. 

But it's already pretty easy to take Daz scenes into Blender and manipulate them there, and there are plenty of tools and premade assets in that content ecosystem already. Daz's advantage is Genesis, really, since there are tens of thousands of products that all work with and more or less match the scale and style of these figures. And since Blender is open-source and encourages plugin and asset creation, it may only be a matter of time before someone sees all the artists going "I should learn Blender but I don't want to start from scratch :(" and independently creates something Genesis-like that can be easily used in Blender.* Daz does not have high visibility among younger artists (lucky for them right now), and I think the Genesis line could fit that purpose itself, but while the bridges were an excellent start they apparently have time and resources for whatever this is instead. 

I think simple tools for scene creation in 3D software will become more popular as 2D artists demand them, since 3D paintovers are a massive timesaver for 2D artwork. Daz could also fit this niche, and also market their software and products to wider groups of people who are not necessarily beginner artists--graphic designers, etc. Their licensing alone is a huge draw. But they're not headed that way, I guess.  

 

*Epic's MetaHuman Creator is an example of this kind of project outside of Daz, but Daz products are still likely to be a less overkill choice for most people's work.