The We Will Miss You, Chohole Complaint Thread

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  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,318

    kyoto kid said:

    Sfariah said:

    Moving day.  The computer isn't at my old home so couldn't ask for it back yet.

    ...you need to find out what they did.  If they sold it, that is transferring stolen property. 

     I doubt they sold it.  I'm going to find out soon.

     

    my fish made it through the night after their traumatic move.

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  • McGyver said:

    Complaint: What hell did they do to the GUI in DS 4.15?

    I've been using older versions of DS 4 (after iRay) and a week or so ago decided to put 4.15 on my old MacBook... So is it just a Mac thing or did they rejigger the whole interface weirdly... or have I gotten so used to the way I've had it set up on other computers for so long that I've forgotten what it looks like when you first install it?

    But there is stuff that I'm sure isn't/wasn't like that in other versions... like what the hell is going on with the environment dome being hidden until you apparently accidentally click on something in Draw Settings to make the Environment bar appear in the Render Settings... WTF?
    I'm like 1000% sure that's not how it was before...

    There are several setings that have been moved to singleton nodes, which are created when needed (e.g. on rendering for the environment and tone mapping settings) or from the Create menu; until the node is created and modified the default values are used.

    I haven't really used 4.15 yet and can only imagine what else has been reshuffled to make doing simple stuff more confusing.

    On a separate complaint note... is DAZ trying to ignore/erase their past?... I went to Wikipedia to look up their version history and it's all gone... the whole DAZ Studio page is almost like a store page now with some basic blurbs about the origins and more about Genesis... the page earned itself a "This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia". notation... in fact all the other DAZ related Wikipedia articles have been pruned down for some reason.

    Why?

    This company does really weird stuff, but there was absolutely nothing they needed to remove from there... I'm guessing someone thought it was a good idea to make it look more like an ad than an encyclopedia page, but that's kinda the point of the "pedia" part of "Wikipedia"... no?

    Ugh.

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,318

    I thought I lost my wireless earbud case but it turned out to be in my pants pocket.  The pockets go more to the center of the pants than I thought,

  • Sfariah said:

    I thought I lost my wireless earbud case but it turned out to be in my pants pocket.  The pockets go more to the center of the pants than I thought,

    Hmmm... a pocket in the center of pants.  I'm familiar with openings on front or back of pants for various purposes, but pockets?  Whatever could they be used for?surprise  I have some interesting ideas but..., you know..., TOSdevil

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,318

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Sfariah said:

    I thought I lost my wireless earbud case but it turned out to be in my pants pocket.  The pockets go more to the center of the pants than I thought,

    Hmmm... a pocket in the center of pants.  I'm familiar with openings on front or back of pants for various purposes, but pockets?  Whatever could they be used for?surprise  I have some interesting ideas but..., you know..., TOSdevil

    not what I meant. The pockets are bigger than what I thought they were.  That is what I was trying to say. 

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,352
    edited September 2021

    McGyver said:

    Complaint: What hell did they do to the GUI in DS 4.15?

    I've been using older versions of DS 4 (after iRay) and a week or so ago decided to put 4.15 on my old MacBook... So is it just a Mac thing or did they rejigger the whole interface weirdly... or have I gotten so used to the way I've had it set up on other computers for so long that I've forgotten what it looks like when you first install it?

    But there is stuff that I'm sure isn't/wasn't like that in other versions... like what the hell is going on with the environment dome being hidden until you apparently accidentally click on something in Draw Settings to make the Environment bar appear in the Render Settings... WTF?
    I'm like 1000% sure that's not how it was before...

    I haven't really used 4.15 yet and can only imagine what else has been reshuffled to make doing simple stuff more confusing.

    On a separate complaint note... is DAZ trying to ignore/erase their past?... I went to Wikipedia to look up their version history and it's all gone... the whole DAZ Studio page is almost like a store page now with some basic blurbs about the origins and more about Genesis... the page earned itself a "This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia". notation... in fact all the other DAZ related Wikipedia articles have been pruned down for some reason.

    Why?

    This company does really weird stuff, but there was absolutely nothing they needed to remove from there... I'm guessing someone thought it was a good idea to make it look more like an ad than an encyclopedia page, but that's kinda the point of the "pedia" part of "Wikipedia"... no?

    Ugh.

    Not just a Mac thing - does that on Windows too.
    It made tabs appear where I didn't even know one could put tabs! Got it back to the way I want it though and so far the layout is sticking.
    With the new empty scene, trigger the creation of the Tonemapper Options and Environment Options. They are now seen to exist on the Scene Tab. Save this scene. Via Edit > Preferences > Startup - select this scene to be opened at start up.

    As to the Wiki page, good question. New management.

    .............

    Read the page ... found this "The company no longer uses that name, and does not treat "Daz" as an acronym for it." So now presumably we can all go back to calling Daz Studio DAZ if we want to :-)

     

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,535
    edited September 2021

    Sfariah said:

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Sfariah said:

    I thought I lost my wireless earbud case but it turned out to be in my pants pocket.  The pockets go more to the center of the pants than I thought,

    Hmmm... a pocket in the center of pants.  I'm familiar with openings on front or back of pants for various purposes, but pockets?  Whatever could they be used for?surprise  I have some interesting ideas but..., you know..., TOSdevil

    not what I meant. The pockets are bigger than what I thought they were.  That is what I was trying to say. 

    I knew that.  I was just having perverse fun with words.  Hmmm... "Perverse Fun With Words".  Sounds like an interesting daytime TV game show title.devil   Possibly starring Drew Carey and his cohorts from "Who's Line Is It Anyway?".laugh

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  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670
    edited September 2021

    I looking for budget computers.  I found a Intel I5-8279U with Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 running at 4 Ghz or so.  I has 4 cores and 8 threads.  It will be intersting to see how fast or slow Iray will run on that CPU.  This computer might be the best value that I found so far.  I'm gonna back to comparing budget computers now.  Later

     

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  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,216

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Sfariah said:

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Sfariah said:

    I thought I lost my wireless earbud case but it turned out to be in my pants pocket.  The pockets go more to the center of the pants than I thought,

    Hmmm... a pocket in the center of pants.  I'm familiar with openings on front or back of pants for various purposes, but pockets?  Whatever could they be used for?surprise  I have some interesting ideas but..., you know..., TOSdevil

    not what I meant. The pockets are bigger than what I thought they were.  That is what I was trying to say. 

    I knew that.  I was just having perverse fun with words.  Hmmm... "Perverse Fun With Words".  Sounds like an interesting daytime TV game show title.devil   Possibly starring Drew Carey and his cohorts from "Who's Line Is It Anyway?".laugh

    I think people would end up in the hospital from laughing too hard!

    Dana 

  • carrie58carrie58 Posts: 3,984
    edited September 2021

    Complaint : My neighbors sprayed my grape vines that are trellised on my fence, with Roundup while spraying their fence line for weeds ,my red grape vine is totally dead ,I have to wait and see if the green grape vine regrows in spring ,what's really aggravating is the green one was finally having a nice load of grapes ,after 4 years of growing and now .........ugh!!

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  • carrie58 said:

    Complaint : My neighbors sprayed my grape vines that are trellised on my fence, with Roundup while spraying their fence line for weeds ,my red grape vine is totally dead ,I have to wait and see if the green grape vine regrows in spring ,what's really aggravating is the green one was finally having a nice load of grapes ,after 4 years of growing and now .........ugh!!

    Be carerful and don't eat any of thje grapes. Roundup has been linked to lymphoma.

    Also I would consider asking your neighbors to replace the damaged vines. 

  • carrie58carrie58 Posts: 3,984

    Charlie Judge said:

    carrie58 said:

    Complaint : My neighbors sprayed my grape vines that are trellised on my fence, with Roundup while spraying their fence line for weeds ,my red grape vine is totally dead ,I have to wait and see if the green grape vine regrows in spring ,what's really aggravating is the green one was finally having a nice load of grapes ,after 4 years of growing and now .........ugh!!

    Be carerful and don't eat any of thje grapes. Roundup has been linked to lymphoma.

    Also I would consider asking your neighbors to replace the damaged vines. 

    Hmm thank you hadn't thought about not eating the grapes ,but they were not ripe yet when the vine was sprayed ,so no grapes for me this year ,well not off my vines anyway ........ yeah I may ask them but I'm honestly not sure it will do any good ....oh well

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,070
    edited September 2021

    carrie58 said:

    Complaint : My neighbors sprayed my grape vines that are trellised on my fence, with Roundup while spraying their fence line for weeds ,my red grape vine is totally dead ,I have to wait and see if the green grape vine regrows in spring ,what's really aggravating is the green one was finally having a nice load of grapes ,after 4 years of growing and now .........ugh!!

    ...I'd bill them for it as they went over the property line.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,070

    Sfariah said:

    kyoto kid said:

    Sfariah said:

    Moving day.  The computer isn't at my old home so couldn't ask for it back yet.

    ...you need to find out what they did.  If they sold it, that is transferring stolen property. 

     I doubt they sold it.  I'm going to find out soon.

     

    my fish made it through the night after their traumatic move.

    ...good to know the finned ones are OK. 

  • carrie58carrie58 Posts: 3,984

    Anybody heard anything about Mystaira ?

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,057

    carrie58 said:

    Anybody heard anything about Mystaira ?

    Nope, still no response to the PM... also it seems like her computer is no longer online (think someone said that her "last visit" update was constantly updating, so she may have left it on with the DAZ page open)...

    I hope she is okay... I think she said she was going to Saint Catherine of Siena hospital... I briefly entertained the idea of going there and paging a "Mistylara Mystiarra"... it's in Smithtown, which isn't far from where I am... but that would be weird in an Internet creepy sorta way.

    I really hope she is doing okay and just busy with getting better...

    It kinda sucks to not know how she is doing.

    I suppose if she wanted us to bother her she would have left some way of contacting her... otherwise we still have her PM mailbox.

    I think we should just send her get well wishes to her mailbox or whatever the PM thingie is called... so she knows the folks in this thread are thinking about her... I think that helps one heal when they are not well... feeling cared for that is.

     

    I made provisions to inform you folks if I ever get eaten by dachshunds or fall into a volcano or something cool like that... not outta love, or nuthin'... just as a fair warning that I'm going to haunt this thread.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,070

    ...not yet. Even  checked the Carrara Forum which she also frequents but nothing more recent than from around August 11th - 19th.  Her profile indicates her last activity was on Sept 7th. 

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,057

    Catherine3678ab said:

    McGyver said:

    Complaint: What hell did they do to the GUI in DS 4.15?

    I've been using older versions of DS 4 (after iRay) and a week or so ago decided to put 4.15 on my old MacBook... So is it just a Mac thing or did they rejigger the whole interface weirdly... or have I gotten so used to the way I've had it set up on other computers for so long that I've forgotten what it looks like when you first install it?

    But there is stuff that I'm sure isn't/wasn't like that in other versions... like what the hell is going on with the environment dome being hidden until you apparently accidentally click on something in Draw Settings to make the Environment bar appear in the Render Settings... WTF?
    I'm like 1000% sure that's not how it was before...

    I haven't really used 4.15 yet and can only imagine what else has been reshuffled to make doing simple stuff more confusing.

    On a separate complaint note... is DAZ trying to ignore/erase their past?... I went to Wikipedia to look up their version history and it's all gone... the whole DAZ Studio page is almost like a store page now with some basic blurbs about the origins and more about Genesis... the page earned itself a "This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia". notation... in fact all the other DAZ related Wikipedia articles have been pruned down for some reason.

    Why?

    This company does really weird stuff, but there was absolutely nothing they needed to remove from there... I'm guessing someone thought it was a good idea to make it look more like an ad than an encyclopedia page, but that's kinda the point of the "pedia" part of "Wikipedia"... no?

    Ugh.

    Not just a Mac thing - does that on Windows too.
    It made tabs appear where I didn't even know one could put tabs! Got it back to the way I want it though and so far the layout is sticking.
    With the new empty scene, trigger the creation of the Tonemapper Options and Environment Options. They are now seen to exist on the Scene Tab. Save this scene. Via Edit > Preferences > Startup - select this scene to be opened at start up.

    As to the Wiki page, good question. New management.

    .............

    Read the page ... found this "The company no longer uses that name, and does not treat "Daz" as an acronym for it." So now presumably we can all go back to calling Daz Studio DAZ if we want to :-)


     

    That's good to know it's not a Mac thing... dual platform applications are often a bit weirder on a Mac sometimes... I'll do the scene saving thing too... as soon as I get around to reconfiguring it to something I'm more comfortable with.

    Thanks.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,057

    LeatherGryphon said:

    Sfariah said:

    I thought I lost my wireless earbud case but it turned out to be in my pants pocket.  The pockets go more to the center of the pants than I thought,

    Hmmm... a pocket in the center of pants.  I'm familiar with openings on front or back of pants for various purposes, but pockets?  Whatever could they be used for?surprise  I have some interesting ideas but..., you know..., TOSdevil

    Hey I had an idea for "Kangaroo Pants"... (Nothing like my Bee Pants which were made of live wasps glued together, but more practical) ... the kangaroo pants had one big pocket in the front for a large laptop or small child... it was also supposed to come with springy shoes so the wearer could jump around like a kangaroo... the prototype didn't work out that well because my kids kept falling out of the pocket. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have tested it on concrete or hot glued the pocket on... but I suppose that's what a test phase is for.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,057

    carrie58 said:

    Complaint : My neighbors sprayed my grape vines that are trellised on my fence, with Roundup while spraying their fence line for weeds ,my red grape vine is totally dead ,I have to wait and see if the green grape vine regrows in spring ,what's really aggravating is the green one was finally having a nice load of grapes ,after 4 years of growing and now .........ugh!!

    That sucks... I never use that stuff, it's basically a weaker version of the defoliant Agent Orange... years ago a chemical engineer I know told me about the similarities between it and the other stuff and I took his word for it, but was still a skeptical because not all of the data is available for anyone to read, but after the lawsuits a lot more info came out and it's as bad as he said.

    Sorry to hear your grapes died... people can be so stupid and inconsiderate.

  • carrie58carrie58 Posts: 3,984
    edited September 2021

    @McGyver  Thanks ,Yeah I tend to use a mix of vineager ,dish soap and water to kill weeds ,it's slower and not toxic , but these neighbors are real touchy about their property lines , don't touch their property with out first asking permission ,everytime ,gets a bit old when ,they didn't mention the rules in the first meeting ......it's a bit odd

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  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,073

    carrie58 said:

    Complaint : My neighbors sprayed my grape vines that are trellised on my fence, with Roundup while spraying their fence line for weeds ,my red grape vine is totally dead ,I have to wait and see if the green grape vine regrows in spring ,what's really aggravating is the green one was finally having a nice load of grapes ,after 4 years of growing and now .........ugh!!

    Do you guys share a fence? If not how in the world did he do that?

  • RezcaRezca Posts: 3,393

    Sfariah said:

    kyoto kid said:

    Sfariah said:

    Moving day.  The computer isn't at my old home so couldn't ask for it back yet.

    ...you need to find out what they did.  If they sold it, that is transferring stolen property. 

     I doubt they sold it.  I'm going to find out soon.

     

    my fish made it through the night after their traumatic move.

    I like the look of your new room!

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 12,755
    edited September 2021

    McGyver said:

    carrie58 said:

    Anybody heard anything about Mystaira ?

    Nope, still no response to the PM... also it seems like her computer is no longer online (think someone said that her "last visit" update was constantly updating, so she may have left it on with the DAZ page open)...

    I hope she is okay... I think she said she was going to Saint Catherine of Siena hospital... I briefly entertained the idea of going there and paging a "Mistylara Mystiarra"... it's in Smithtown, which isn't far from where I am... but that would be weird in an Internet creepy sorta way.

     

    Nah. But if somebody knows her real name, then maybe you could call St. Catherine's hosptal and check on her. 

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  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,216

    Charlie Judge said:

    McGyver said:

    carrie58 said:

    Anybody heard anything about Mystaira ?

    Nope, still no response to the PM... also it seems like her computer is no longer online (think someone said that her "last visit" update was constantly updating, so she may have left it on with the DAZ page open)...

    I hope she is okay... I think she said she was going to Saint Catherine of Siena hospital... I briefly entertained the idea of going there and paging a "Mistylara Mystiarra"... it's in Smithtown, which isn't far from where I am... but that would be weird in an Internet creepy sorta way.

     

    Nah. But if somebody knows her real name, then maybe you could call St. Catherine's hosptal and check on her. 

    Found out sime time ago, when she was talking about her books.   https://www.amazon.com/Misty-Lara-Prendville/e/B002CWX7K4%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share  

    Dana

        

  • carrie58carrie58 Posts: 3,984
    edited September 2021

    frank0314 said:

    carrie58 said:

    Complaint : My neighbors sprayed my grape vines that are trellised on my fence, with Roundup while spraying their fence line for weeds ,my red grape vine is totally dead ,I have to wait and see if the green grape vine regrows in spring ,what's really aggravating is the green one was finally having a nice load of grapes ,after 4 years of growing and now .........ugh!!

    Do you guys share a fence? If not how in the world did he do that?

    I have a chain link fence, the neighbor has a split rail fence, there is about a foot in between them cause I had my fence put inside my property line ,and instead of using a weed wacker under his fence he sprays  Round Up ,to kill the grass and weeds ,and they don't like it that I don't .I have mobility issues , and have to get my son to mow the yard ,which really isn't much since I have 11 huge pine trees not much grows under them .......I put the grapes at my fence cause it is one of the few spots that gets full sunshine . Well if I replant I'm gonna put some cinder blocks against the fence to shield the vines ...

    Fun fact is my property was once part of their property and the wife wants it "back in the family" . But while my house was on the market they put up the split rail because people kept thinking that the barn behind my house was included..... and lost interest when it wasn't .See what assumption will get you .......laughoh and the first time I met them the husband told me that MY  fence was an inconveniance,because he left 2 of the rails loose so he could drive his truck into the barn by driving through my yard.....oops my bad .

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  • donahue_shelly@yahoo.com[email protected] Posts: 763
    edited September 2021

    Well, it's been a bit of a roller coaster type day.  Nicholas seems to have sucked all the humity away from the area so during the day it's been extremely pleasant.  No real damage from the near miss either.  But Mother-in-Law is under the weather, has been since Sunday. Similiar symptoms to an infection she had four months ago, thankfully the pharmcist accidentally gave us two scripts of the antibiotic, so we got her on that Monday morning.  She seemed better yesterday but not all the way there.

    I discovered that Amazon is now beta programming hardbacks.  Neat.  My problem, however, is that the softcover of my book is 736 pages.  Hardcovers have a max size of 550 pages.  I'm trying to see if making the book bigger will get me under the limit, otherwise I'll get into the kindle creation tool and drop the font from 11 to a 9.  But I might also have to redo my cover page for the new book size.  oi.

    Meanwhile, I created some feather serpents.

     

    Edit, going from a 6*9 to a 7*10 worked.  I got the count to 548, two shy of the max.  /dance

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  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    carrie58 said:

    @McGyver  Thanks ,Yeah I tend to use a mix of vineager ,dish soap and water to kill weeds ,it's slower and not toxic , but these neighbors are real touchy about their property lines , don't touch their property with out first asking permission ,everytime ,gets a bit old when ,they didn't mention the rules in the first meeting ......it's a bit odd

    The salt used on roads or 'course seasalt" works better than roundup in my opinion, works also with moss and other types that roundup doesn't work with. Boiling water is also good for small areas.

  • WinterMoonWinterMoon Posts: 1,982

    Sfariah said:

     What if their shoe size isn't the same as yours?  If it is way too big?  Or way too small?

    Then you'll be a mile away and have blisters. crying

  • RezcaRezca Posts: 3,393
    edited September 2021

    Sitting around a campfire~   Doing a daytime variation of it right now too. 

     

    Was an older version of the night scene I kinda liked more, had a good lighting to it... But when I made the decision to make it less misty and darker I found I kinda liked the older version more but could never quite get it back to that point haha,  my fault for not keeping an incremental save before making such a large change :P

    The older version:

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