What's with all the sexy Velma lately?

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  • grinch2901grinch2901 Posts: 1,246

    I don't think it's the size of Great Danes in particular that causes them to die at about age 8 but their average genetics, although the inbreeding that established the breed as viable to begin with probably introduced some typical Great Dane ailments. They really aren't that much bigger than wolves which live to a maximum of age 12 on average. There is this whole bell curve thing. Among mammals it's typical the large animals like elephants live longer and small ones like mice shorter spans of time.

    Interesting nerd fact that I'm sure Velma is aware of: there is a set of laws of nature that are rarely discussed called "scaling laws".  They are very interesting and can allow you to make eerily accurate predictions about lots of stuff given a small, seemingly insigificant data point.  Relevant here is the scaling relationship between animal lifespan and heartbeats.  Each animal gets appriximately 2 billion beats. If you have a really fast beat like a bird, you get there fast. If it's slow like a whale, it takes a very long time. But across all species, this relationship holds true.    Also, metabolic rate scales to how strong an organism will be compared to another one, so if you were so inclned you could actually calculate just how much strength proportionate to a spider Peter Parker really gained.  Lots of other weird results can be determined from this.  For example apparently scientists who study this stuff can tell you the population of a city just by knowing the number of gas stations, and vice versa.  Some more info can be read here:  http://hep.ucsb.edu/courses/ph6b_99/0111299sci-scaling.html

    Nerd mode: OFF

    Mathematics and physics isn't prediction. 1 + 1 = 2, but I know what you mean. I'd be very surprised if my calculator told me that 1 + 1 = 3 and buy a new calculator. laugh

    One of the premier scientists in this area, Geoffrey West, said "Yet when my collaborators and I looked at tremendous amounts of data about cities, we found universal scaling laws again. Each city is not so unique after all. If you look at any infrastructural quantity—the number of gas stations, the surface area of the roads, the length of electric cables—it always scales as the population of the city raised to approximately the 0.85 power."  Yes, this is math but it's in the form of a mathematical model. An algorithm for making predictions. It isn't a fundamental law of nature that a city of X people will have Y roads, but it holds up most of the time  so you can make predictions if you are, for example, designing a city from scratch.  Heck, engineers who DO model physical reality still use approximations and models.  Transistors are not linear devices and solving transistor circuits using differential equations based on the physical properties of the device would be extraordinarily difficult so enigneers design the circuit so the transistors operate in a roughly (roughly!) linear region and then cacluate around that. It's math but it's still an approximation.  But a good enough one. That's all I meant. 

  • grinch2901grinch2901 Posts: 1,246
     

    Well, since birds are not mammals, I am going to suggest that that rule/guideline/statistical-norm/whatever does not apply.

    Actually it does, the same relationship applies to birds as to animals. It's why these scaling relationships are so amazing.  It's like the fibonacci series and it's "golden raito"; if you look around nature you find it literally everywhere but there is no good reason why you should. It's just there in flowers, trees, human and even insect anatomy, etc. 

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,760

    Why would daz make something for an adult female but not sexy?  

  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300

    There is the legal principle of 'publish with notice', in which one can publish a copyrightable work, via any medium, with the 'notice of copyright' -- i.e., "Copyright ©, 2016, by <claimant>" -- and even the copyright sigil is not legally required; in other words, the act of claiming a copyright de facto, as well as de jure, grants that copyright. 

    I think I understand your point, but in 1967 or '69, registration was required to enjoy full copyright, and there was a window (one year, if memory servves) to secure registration. Simply affixing copyright, without subsequent registration,provided no protection, as many IP holders came to discover.

    The 1976 Copyright Act, as well as the '89 Berne signing, changed this, but H-B could well have physically filed for copyrights to model sheets even before a single cel was drawn. I'm not a Scooby Doo expert, but from various sources, it looks like the concept didn't come around until 1968, so either a title card with a 1967 copyright was in error (not that uncommon, actually), or you're mis-remembering, or the contemporary recounting of the series creation is not accurate.

    I question assets like these for commercial use. I'm not aware that H-B is still licensing Scooby Doo lunchboxes, but that doesn't mean there aren't copyrights to the character designs still in force, or that there aren't some common law trademarks to consider. Use of the a model like this in a commercial setting, where the character is so recognizable, might be considered passing off. Not sure I'd want to use this for a commercial project unless it was a parady or something.

  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 2,674
    nicstt said:
    isidorn said:

    Not sure a "Sexy Shaggy" or a "Sexy Scooby" would have the same sales potentials as "Sexy Velma"...

     

    I made some sort of comment a few weeks ago about that. I was at uni (I'm a mature student) and was told about rule 34 or whatever it was - think I got the number correct; anyway, the short version is - there will be somewhere.

     

    Rule 34 is If it exists, there's pr0n of it.

    Rule 35 is if there isn't pr0n of it, there will be now.

    Rule 63 is for every fictional character, there's a gender swapped version of them.

    Rule 85 is if it exists, there's a pony of it, which has no relevence to the discussion, but I thought I'd throw it in.

  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 2,674
    Tobor said:
    I question assets like these for commercial use. I'm not aware that H-B is still licensing Scooby Doo lunchboxes, but that doesn't mean there aren't copyrights to the character designs still in force, or that there aren't some common law trademarks to consider.

    Scooby is still a very active license. New toyline just came out. They're a big part of the new LEGO Dimensions game where you have Scooby team up with Doctor Who and Batman and Homer Simpson. Each year there's 1 or 2 direct to video movies...one with Scooby and the Gang with WWE is due soon.

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531

    Moe-Girl (it's not pronounced that way) is a character from my semi-retired webcomic Ghastly's Ghastly Comic. She first appeared April 29, 2015 although the character was actually planned before I put the strip on hiatus in 2006. She suffers from "Non-Kawaii Anime Vocal Tic Syndrom (ie. she has a vocal tic that isn't cute like "uguu" or "desu"). I deliberately designed her to be a nod and a wink towards Velma but with a decidedly anime twist.

     

  • ghastlycomicghastlycomic Posts: 2,531

    I also had a Shibari based outfit that was Velma inspired about 2 years ago.

    http://www.sharecg.com/v/77134/view/21/DAZ-Studio/Ghastlys-Shibari-Outfit-Genesis-1

     

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,453
    edited March 2016
    Tobor said:

    There is the legal principle of 'publish with notice', in which one can publish a copyrightable work, via any medium, with the 'notice of copyright' -- i.e., "Copyright ©, 2016, by <claimant>" -- and even the copyright sigil is not legally required; in other words, the act of claiming a copyright de facto, as well as de jure, grants that copyright. 

    I think I understand your point, but in 1967 or '69, registration was required to enjoy full copyright, and there was a window (one year, if memory servves) to secure registration. Simply affixing copyright, without subsequent registration,provided no protection, as many IP holders came to discover.

    The 1976 Copyright Act, as well as the '89 Berne signing, changed this, but H-B could well have physically filed for copyrights to model sheets even before a single cel was drawn. I'm not a Scooby Doo expert, but from various sources, it looks like the concept didn't come around until 1968, so either a title card with a 1967 copyright was in error (not that uncommon, actually), or you're mis-remembering, or the contemporary recounting of the series creation is not accurate.

    I question assets like these for commercial use. I'm not aware that H-B is still licensing Scooby Doo lunchboxes, but that doesn't mean there aren't copyrights to the character designs still in force, or that there aren't some common law trademarks to consider. Use of the a model like this in a commercial setting, where the character is so recognizable, might be considered passing off. Not sure I'd want to use this for a commercial project unless it was a parady or something.

    I will readily admit that my knowledge of copyright law is rather dated (from the mid- to late-seventies), and one of the "helpful tricks" I came across involved mailing a copy of your manuscript (which was my primary concern at the time) to yourself via registered mail, with delivery receipt required, and then locking the unopened envelope (with delivery receipt attached) in your safe-deposit box, as prima facie evidence that it was your original work.  However, nothing I ever read/found/gleaned on the subject ever even suggested that anything else was a viable substitute for actually registering the copyright: as in, getting on the horn to the legal department (or your lawyer), with the directive, "Make damn sure you do everything possible to let the world know that this property is ours!"  If anything I have said on the subject implied anything different, then I apologize for the misapprehension.

    And, with that little CMA ("cover my @$$") out of the way, I wholeheartedly concur with your reservations about using that outfit in a commercial render.  There is no doubt in my mind that every conceivable aspect or visual of the entire Scooby-Doo® franchise has been copyrighted and trademarked to death, and beyond.  All of the characters -- Velma, Daphne, Freddy, Shaggy, and Scooby (and Scrappy, too, nasty little f**k that he is!), up to and including that 'S-D' diamond-shaped dog-tag dangling from his collar -- are unquestionably protected six ways to Sunday (and probably twice on Sunday)!  So..., yeah.  You probably don't want to use that outfit in a commercial project -- at least, not without a sign-off from Hanna-Barbera.  Because they're worse than Apple in asserting their intellectual-property rights.

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  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300

    No worries! I just wanted to clarify because in the mid-70s and late 80s there were revisions to US copyright law that upended all of this. (Though, still today, if you want to sue someone for copyright infringement for statutory damages, you still need the work registered. That's never changed.)

    The old chestnuts they'd tell you worked to a point. The self mailing was a way to claim "prior art" in case you found someone ripped off your idea, but without registration, all you could ever do is sue for actual damages, which is often just a pittance, and costs far more than you'd collect on judgment. Or worse, it came in handy in case someone else claimed that you ripped them off. The Writer's Guild has a more formal mechanism for this for TV and movie scripts, and at one time, at least one of the ad hoc writer's "unions" provided it as a service, though the registered mail technique was probably just as good.

    On the subject of H-B/Warner Bros animation IP, these guys do seem to be holding onto it very tightly, which is another thing that gives me pause. As Scavenger said, I think they plan a few decades worth of reboots and live-action versions. I read somewhere that Robert Rodrigez is finally going to come out with a live action version of Johnny Quest. Sometime soon, I'm sure, Filmation (now DreamWorks Ani) can get in on it the trend, and cast Chris Pratt in the live action version of The Archies! Oh, boy!!

    Usual dislcaimer section: None of the above should be construed as legal advice.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,138
    Tobor said:
    I read somewhere that Robert Rodrigez is finally going to come out with a live action version of Johnny Quest. Sometime soon, I'm sure, Filmation (now DreamWorks Ani) can get in on it the trend, and cast Chris Pratt in the live action version of The Archies! Oh, boy!!
     

    You're soooo behind the times.  It's not Chris Pratt.  The new live action Archie (yes, there have been previous live action versions) is KJ Apa, starring in the new Riverdale series from the producer of Arrow and The Flash.  As for Rodriguez's live action Jonny Quest... I'll believe it when I see it.  After he blew off both Barbarella and A Princess of Mars back to back, I'm not going to hold my breath.      

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,216
    edited August 2018
    Scavenger said:
    nicstt said:
    isidorn said:

    Not sure a "Sexy Shaggy" or a "Sexy Scooby" would have the same sales potentials as "Sexy Velma"...

     

    I made some sort of comment a few weeks ago about that. I was at uni (I'm a mature student) and was told about rule 34 or whatever it was - think I got the number correct; anyway, the short version is - there will be somewhere.

     

    Rule 34 is If it exists, there's pr0n of it.

    Rule 35 is if there isn't pr0n of it, there will be now.

    Rule 63 is for every fictional character, there's a gender swapped version of them.

    Rule 85 is if it exists, there's a pony of it, which has no relevence to the discussion, but I thought I'd throw it in.

    Good Lord, my brain just exploded.

    optimus prime pony

    I knew about rule 34, 35 and 63, but never heard of 85. Well, my goal is to learn something new every day, so I guess I can go back to bed now.

    Edit: more relevant to the discussion

    shaggy and velma pony

    I think I've found a new favorite thing for the next 24 hours or so.

    Post edited by Kitsumo on
  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Tobor said:

    There is the legal principle of 'publish with notice', in which one can publish a copyrightable work, via any medium, with the 'notice of copyright' -- i.e., "Copyright ©, 2016, by <claimant>" -- and even the copyright sigil is not legally required; in other words, the act of claiming a copyright de facto, as well as de jure, grants that copyright. 

    I think I understand your point, but in 1967 or '69, registration was required to enjoy full copyright, and there was a window (one year, if memory servves) to secure registration. Simply affixing copyright, without subsequent registration,provided no protection, as many IP holders came to discover.

    The 1976 Copyright Act, as well as the '89 Berne signing, changed this, but H-B could well have physically filed for copyrights to model sheets even before a single cel was drawn. I'm not a Scooby Doo expert, but from various sources, it looks like the concept didn't come around until 1968, so either a title card with a 1967 copyright was in error (not that uncommon, actually), or you're mis-remembering, or the contemporary recounting of the series creation is not accurate.

    I question assets like these for commercial use. I'm not aware that H-B is still licensing Scooby Doo lunchboxes, but that doesn't mean there aren't copyrights to the character designs still in force, or that there aren't some common law trademarks to consider. Use of the a model like this in a commercial setting, where the character is so recognizable, might be considered passing off. Not sure I'd want to use this for a commercial project unless it was a parady or something.

    I will readily admit that my knowledge of copyright law is rather dated (from the mid- to late-seventies), and one of the "helpful tricks" I came across involved mailing a copy of your manuscript (which was my primary concern at the time) to yourself via registered mail, with delivery receipt required, and then locking the unopened envelope (with delivery receipt attached) in your safe-deposit box, as prima facie evidence that it was your original work.  However, nothing I ever read/found/gleaned on the subject ever even suggested that anything else was a viable substitute for actually registering the copyright: as in, getting on the horn to the legal department (or your lawyer), with the directive, "Make damn sure you do everything possible to let the world know that this property is ours!"  If anything I have said on the subject implied anything different, then I apologize for the misapprehension.

    And, with that little CMA ("cover my @$$") out of the way, I wholeheartedly concur with your reservations about using that outfit in a commercial render.  There is no doubt in my mind that every conceivable aspect or visual of the entire Scooby-Doo® franchise has been copyrighted and trademarked to death, and beyond.  All of the characters -- Velma, Daphne, Freddy, Shaggy, and Scooby (and Scrappy, too, nasty little f**k that he is!), up to and including that 'S-D' diamond-shaped dog-tag dangling from his collar -- are unquestionably protected six ways to Sunday (and probably twice on Sunday)!  So..., yeah.  You probably don't want to use that outfit in a commercial project -- at least, not without a sign-off from Hanna-Barbera.  Because they're worse than Apple in asserting their intellectual-property rights.

    isn't he just. He's the reason I stopped watching them.

  • carrie58carrie58 Posts: 4,050

    So did any one else see the Supernatural episode ,where Dean ,Sam and Casteill end up IN a Scooby-Doo episode?

  • As long as we're talking about alternate Scoobies and Velmas, they made an appearance in a Venture Brothers episode, and it's a bit more realistic IMO lol

    There was also a Johnny Quest appearance.

     

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,132
    edited August 2018

    Maybe a PA could come up with a toon Scooby for the Daz Dog 8 laugh

    Post edited by Wonderland on
  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,699

    Velma has always been cool. I heard there was a remake live action featuring Velma and daphne in the works.

  • I suppose if I had to pick, Velma was always my favorite too. But I honestly always hated that show. I only it watched because at age 8, we only had 5 channels, and it came on in between two Saturday morning cartoons my brother and I actually enjoyed, so we didn't bother to change the channel. In fact, the only reason I have ever been happy that I watched the show as kid was to understand all the references to "The Scoobys" in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,699

    I loved scooby do until scrappy do was introduced. Then the show became terrible.

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,216

    I suppose if I had to pick, Velma was always my favorite too. But I honestly always hated that show. I only it watched because at age 8, we only had 5 channels, and it came on in between two Saturday morning cartoons my brother and I actually enjoyed, so we didn't bother to change the channel. In fact, the only reason I have ever been happy that I watched the show as kid was to understand all the references to "The Scoobys" in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

    I thought I was the only one who didn't like the show. I didn't really dislike it, but it was too dark and gloomy for my taste. Plus, I grew up during the early 80s, in my opinion the Golden Age of Saturday morning cartoons. After watching Pole Position, Speed Buggy, Plastic Man, Turbo Teen, Smurfs, Muppet Babies, Garfield (and friends), the Incredible Hulk, etc, a 10+ year old show about hippies chasing ghosts didn't appeal to me. But I did watch when the Harlem Globetrotters were on.

  • MalandarMalandar Posts: 776

    As long as we're talking about alternate Scoobies and Velmas, they made an appearance in a Venture Brothers episode, and it's a bit more realistic IMO lol

    There was also a Johnny Quest appearance.

     

    Love that show, I have not watched it in a while though, but yeah  those crossovers were pretty damend funny. Though I still feel sorry for 21/24 and that poor comicbook...

  • My favorites are still Moose and Squirrel, "You haff plan dahlink?"  "I always haff plan.  They always stink, but I always haff them".  And of course Fractured Fairy Tales, Peabody and Sherman, and Dudly Dooright episodes on the same show.  Lousy production values, great humor.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,138

    My favorites are still Moose and Squirrel, "You haff plan dahlink?"  "I always haff plan.  They always stink, but I always haff them".  And of course Fractured Fairy Tales, Peabody and Sherman, and Dudly Dooright episodes on the same show.  Lousy production values, great humor.

    Low ANIMATION production values, yes... especially given that Jay Ward Productions was sharing an animation facility with Total TV Productions (Underdog, Tennessee Tuxedo) that was underwritten by General MIlls.  However, when it came to voice talent, they had one of the finest voice casts ever assembled: the legendary June Foray as Rocky, Natasha, Nell Fenwik and almost every other female character, Bill Scott as Bullwinkle, Dudley Do Right, Mister Peabody & Feaarless Leader, Paul Frees as Boris & Captain Peachfuzz and nearly half of the other characters in any episode, Hans Conreid as Snidely Whiplash, WIlliam Conrad as the narrator for both Bullwinkle and Dudley, Edward Everett Horton narrating Fractured Fairy Tales and Charles Ruggles as the voice of Aesop.  Really, Bullwinkle was a radio show that happened to have animation to go along with it, which is part of why it holds up so well.   

  • dreamfarmerdreamfarmer Posts: 2,128

    You know, I never liked Scooby Doo. The only character who ever amused me was, no joke, Scrappy. I seem to be a complete unicorn there.

  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300

    I loved scooby do until scrappy do was introduced. 

    A common H-B technique to increase licensing. It's also said the character lifted the ratings a bit, and I think they both worked to leverage each other. Action figures of animals almost always sell better than humans (except Shaggy, which sold tons). 

    They did a similar thing with the Great Gazoo on the Flintstones. People either loved him or hated him. I think he's okay if you consider only the vocal talent and jokes, but the character so altered the nuclear family concept of Bedrock that Gazoo might have been one of the things that finally killed the show for good. Bam-bam and Pepples were logical additions (even if the genesis of the show, The Honeymooners, had no children in it).

  • KitsumoKitsumo Posts: 1,216
    Redfern said:
    Funny enough, ACT started by targeting "Romper Room" (arguably as wholesome as a show can get) for promoting a line of tie-in toys like the drinking cup and string based "Romper Stompers".  Yet, by the 1980s, there was a deluge of syndicated cartoons that were little more than 30 advertisements for entire toy lines, shows like He-Man, GI Joe, Transformers, etc.  If the ACT founders were still around at that time, this new mid afternoon line-up likely drove them bonkers.

    Sincerely,

    Bill

    I grew up during that time. I didn't know anything about the legal battles that led to the deregulation, all I knew was it was a great time to be a kid. It was the perfect storm of new animation techniques, new toy lines (including ones from Japan) and super sugary breakfast cereals.

  • Joe WebbJoe Webb Posts: 837

    I grew up on and loved Scooby but was aging out by the time Scrappy hit. You'll note that in one of the current Scooby properties the Gang actually visits Scrappy's grave (so I understand, I haven't watched the current shows). My daughter grew up on Scooby and there were some decent franchises when she was young. Scooby remains of touchstone for us. 

    As does He Man. I saw some with nephews when it was on, but in the early 2000s it had a come-back. My daughter had a Greyskull castle set, and a number of figures. We played with it much much more than watching any actual shows. She still has a few of the figures. It's fun if you understand its just a commerical. Heck, they probably have a Flo the Insurance Saler action figure these days.

  • MimicMollyMimicMolly Posts: 2,225

    You know, I never liked Scooby Doo. The only character who ever amused me was, no joke, Scrappy. I seem to be a complete unicorn there.

    I like Scrappy too, though I feel he was a victim of writers who just don't know how to write child characters. Then they tried to ruin more. Poor puppy. :/
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