What's with all the sexy Velma lately?

ScavengerScavenger Posts: 2,674
edited March 2016 in The Commons

So Isabella comes out, and there's a sexy Velma outfit:

http://www.daz3d.com/the-mystery-solver-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s

 

And Ghastly has a new freebie over at Rendo

 

https://www.renderosity.com/mod/freestuff/ggc-moe-girl---genesis1/76166

 

I mean, yeah, 2 examples... but still...2 at the same time? That's weird, right?

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  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    Think I prefer the look of the freebie.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,009

    Wonder which one came first...

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,548

    Pretty sure I saw Ghastly's over on Sharecg several weeks ago.  That doesn't mean that the one Daz offered wasn't already in the works.  Many times people have ideas that appear at similar times....

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,264

    Nerds rule. 

    Maybe a vendor will create the heroine of The Mummy next.  That would be great.

    Rachel Weisz Rachel Weisz portrays

    Evelyn Carnahan

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,009

    Many times people have ideas that appear at similar times....

    Yes, that's true.

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337

    Actually I'm amazed a sexy Velma hadn't come out long ago.  She's been a cos-play favorite for several years now.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,806

    I always liked Daphne better, LOL

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,253

    she was a hip, hip lady.

     

  • PetercatPetercat Posts: 2,321

    The glasses are a bit off.

    Mei Lin 6 makes a pretty good Velma.

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  • pwiecekpwiecek Posts: 1,591

    Nerdy Velma was abducted by aliens sometime between the first and second movies.

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,453

    I'm gonna make some of you guys feel really, really old!

    The Scooby-Doo franchise was introduced in 1967, which makes it right at 49 years old.  (Not sure how long that is in dog-years!)

    Assuming that all of "those meddling kids" were roughly the same age, and considering that the minimum legal driving age in California at that time was 16....

    Velma is on Medicare.

  • vwranglervwrangler Posts: 4,934

    I'm gonna make some of you guys feel really, really old!

    The Scooby-Doo franchise was introduced in 1967, which makes it right at 49 years old.  (Not sure how long that is in dog-years!)

    Assuming that all of "those meddling kids" were roughly the same age, and considering that the minimum legal driving age in California at that time was 16....

    Velma is on Medicare.

    And just imagine how old Scooby would be! Not even in dog years -- well, not precisely in dog years. Great Danes tend to not make it past 15 years old, although there are, of course, exceptions. No doubt by this point, one of the evil scientists would have dognapped Scooby to discover the secret of his eternal doggy youth.

    At one point -- with some timeline fudging here and there -- Scooby Doo was the longest "continuously" produced cartoon (under various titles) in US television history. There are a few gaps in the timeline now, but the gang tends not to go more than a year without either a "movie" series, or a regular series popping up. (The last regular series reworked scripts from the original series and had quite dreadful animation.)

     

    (Purely a side note, but I'm wondering, myself, at the sudden proliferation of news rooms. Two here, plus the one that Kindred Arts put up as a freebie because of the i13 news room, and another two or three at Renderosity. Nothing at all for years, and then several within a few months/weeks of each other. Something in the zeitgeist, perhaps?)

  • RedfernRedfern Posts: 1,629

    Actually, it was September 1969, developed to comply with a 1968 FCC ruling about "violence" in children's programming.

    So, 47 plus 16 gives us 63, thus, not quite old enough to draw Medicare, but closing in fast.  Even more depressing, Great Danes, due to their size are short lived dogs.  They're very fortunate to reach 8, averaging around 6 to 7 years.  Scooby would have likely passed away before the premiere of the original Star Wars in 1977.  Shaggy could have owned a succession of 7 Great Danes since 1969, assuming, of course, he himself did not wind up overdosing on "something".

    Sincerely,

    Bill

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335

    Much like such comparisons with M*A*S*H and other long-running shows, the comparison breaks down when you consider you only got one episode a week, 24 times a year (assuming standard season runs in the USA.)

    This means the 'episodes' of Scooby-Doo we saw were only typically one or two 'days' in length at best.  So what we saw on TV was only maybe a month or two of actual time.  So typically 1/15th of actual time.

    So if they started at 16......16 + (47/15) = 19.15

    Some of the movies and such did span longer times than just a day or two.  Let's just round up to compensate.  They'd be 20 years old now.  And Scooby-Doo himself would still be quite a live and kicking.

     

    Now, if you were going on strictly real-world assumptions, then they'd have had a BUNCH of adventures we never saw, and would be approaching retirement age.....and would have buried the original Scooby-Doo back in the late-seventies to early-eighties.

    But the good news is that Scrappy-Doo would also have been long gone by now as well......

     

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,453
    Redfern said:

    Actually, it was September 1969, developed to comply with a 1968 FCC ruling about "violence" in children's programming.

    So, 47 plus 16 gives us 63, thus, not quite old enough to draw Medicare, but closing in fast.  Even more depressing, Great Danes, due to their size are short lived dogs.  They're very fortunate to reach 8, averaging around 6 to 7 years.  Scooby would have likely passed away before the premiere of the original Star Wars in 1977.  Shaggy could have owned a succession of 7 Great Danes since 1969, assuming, of course, he himself did not wind up overdosing on "something".

    Sincerely,

    Bill

    I was going by the copyright date on one of the earlier episodes, as it was displayed during the opening credits (I've been a Scooby-Doo fan since the beginning); I recall reading it as '1967'.  This might be explained by the possibility that, once the concept was fleshed out, Hanna-Barbera applied immediately for the copyright, well before any of the episodes were even produced, let alone aired (and we must remember that most of them were produced using cel animation, which was quite time-consuming; they didn't have DAZ Studio back then! wink ).

    So, even if the first episode didn't air until 1969, a copyright date two years earlier is entirely plausible.

  • isidornisidorn Posts: 1,601

    Not sure a "Sexy Shaggy" or a "Sexy Scooby" would have the same sales potentials as "Sexy Velma"...

    As for the time problem, I love this quote: "Heroes don't die. They just change the actor."

  • RedfernRedfern Posts: 1,629

    Funny thing about the show's development, various ideas were considered and eventually dropped for whast we finally got.  Initially, they were unsure which direction to go with the animal mascot.  Of course, we got the "cowardly" behemoth, but they also considered the opposite, a tiny but tenacious mutt.  Yep, like it or not, they pondered a "Scrappy Doo" from the beginning.

    The other was possibily making the teens musicians, traveling from gig to gig.  At the time, the creators thought that was too much to cram into a single show given they would be solving mysteries.  The irony, of course, is that later properties (some Hana Barbera, others Ruby Spears) did depict their lead characters as traveling musicians, "Josie and the Pussycats", "Charlie Chan and the Chan Clan", "Jabber Jaw".  Scooby Doo almost became the minority as it focused exclusively upon the mysteries without side stories about being performers.

    Reads like I'm a devoted fan.  actually, I'm not.  I was "into" the earlier, less restricted series like Jonny Quest (which first aired in primetime), Space Ghost and particularly the Herculoids (kinda' HB's in house anser to John Carter of Mars).  But I am a fan of animation in general and I'm fascinated by the history of most creations, how they started and how they evolved to their final broadcast versions.

    Sincerely,

    Bill

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,444
    edited March 2016

    Well they had the copyright as soon as they thought of the concept so what they probably applied for was the trademark. There was a van that came to the summertime monthly 'Antique Auto Parade' painted up as the Mystery Machine. Also a Beetle as Herbie the Love Bug. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera when they drove by.

    I don't think it's the size of Great Danes in particular that causes them to die at about age 8 but their average genetics, although the inbreeding that established the breed as viable to begin with probably introduced some typical Great Dane ailments. They really aren't that much bigger than wolves which live to a maximum of age 12 on average. There is this whole bell curve thing. Among mammals it's typical the large animals like elephants live longer and small ones like mice shorter spans of time.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,137
    edited March 2016

    The casting of Linda Cardellini as Velma was the best thing to ever hit the Scooby Doo world, and definitely helped usher in a whole new level of nerd chique.  Here's my favorite T-shirt design, available at Threadless https://www.threadless.com/designs/weve_got_some_work_to_do_now

     

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,137
    Redfern said:
    Reads like I'm a devoted fan.  actually, I'm not.  I was "into" the earlier, less restricted series like Jonny Quest (which first aired in primetime), Space Ghost and particularly the Herculoids (kinda' HB's in house anser to John Carter of Mars).  But I am a fan of animation in general and I'm fascinated by the history of most creations, how they started and how they evolved to their final broadcast versions.

    Yeah, the original run of Jonny Quest remains one of the greatest animated series ever produced, though the only way to see the glorious original uncut versions is on DVD as the TV versions have been heavily edited since the 70s.  Ironically, that show was also the result of weird evolution.  The original idea was to produce an animated version of the Jack Armstrong radio series, but when the acquistion of the rights bogged down, they had Doug Wildey knock out the premise for JQ instead.   

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,453

     

    I don't think it's the size of Great Danes in particular that causes them to die at about age 8 but their average genetics, although the inbreeding that established the breed as viable to begin with probably introduced some typical Great Dane ailments. They really aren't that much bigger than wolves which live to a maximum of age 12 on average. There is this whole bell curve thing. Among mammals it's typical the large animals like elephants live longer and small ones like mice shorter spans of time.

    Humans being a notable exception.

    I once read somewhere that the average lifespan for most mammals was approximately one billion heartbeats, and that the smaller the body size, the more rapid the heartrate.  The average human lifespan, however, is typically around four bullion heartbeats.

    I don't recall exactly where I first encountered that particular "factoid" (I think it was my eighth-grade science class -- no, seventh; eighth grade was Earth Science, seventh was Life Science), and I don't even know how accurate it really is.  All I know is that once I read it, I became extremely conscious of my pulse.

    And since, for the past five years or so, my pulse-rate has typically run right at ninety per minute....

    Clock's ticking, dudes.

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,444

     

    I don't think it's the size of Great Danes in particular that causes them to die at about age 8 but their average genetics, although the inbreeding that established the breed as viable to begin with probably introduced some typical Great Dane ailments. They really aren't that much bigger than wolves which live to a maximum of age 12 on average. There is this whole bell curve thing. Among mammals it's typical the large animals like elephants live longer and small ones like mice shorter spans of time.

    Humans being a notable exception.

    I once read somewhere that the average lifespan for most mammals was approximately one billion heartbeats, and that the smaller the body size, the more rapid the heartrate.  The average human lifespan, however, is typically around four bullion heartbeats.

    I don't recall exactly where I first encountered that particular "factoid" (I think it was my eighth-grade science class -- no, seventh; eighth grade was Earth Science, seventh was Life Science), and I don't even know how accurate it really is.  All I know is that once I read it, I became extremely conscious of my pulse.

    And since, for the past five years or so, my pulse-rate has typically run right at ninety per minute....

    Clock's ticking, dudes.

     

    Hmmm, I hadn't heard that. They say birds have higher heart rates. I wonder how many heart beats in a lifetime a Hyacinth MacCaw has.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,137

    Hmmm, I hadn't heard that. They say birds have higher heart rates. I wonder how many heart beats in a lifetime a Hyacinth MacCaw has.

    Based on an average life expectancy of 50 years and 275 beats per minute:  7,227,000,000.  (Man, the things you can find on the internet.)

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    isidorn said:

    Not sure a "Sexy Shaggy" or a "Sexy Scooby" would have the same sales potentials as "Sexy Velma"...

     

    I made some sort of comment a few weeks ago about that. I was at uni (I'm a mature student) and was told about rule 34 or whatever it was - think I got the number correct; anyway, the short version is - there will be somewhere.

  • grinch2901grinch2901 Posts: 1,246

    I don't think it's the size of Great Danes in particular that causes them to die at about age 8 but their average genetics, although the inbreeding that established the breed as viable to begin with probably introduced some typical Great Dane ailments. They really aren't that much bigger than wolves which live to a maximum of age 12 on average. There is this whole bell curve thing. Among mammals it's typical the large animals like elephants live longer and small ones like mice shorter spans of time.

    Interesting nerd fact that I'm sure Velma is aware of: there is a set of laws of nature that are rarely discussed called "scaling laws".  They are very interesting and can allow you to make eerily accurate predictions about lots of stuff given a small, seemingly insigificant data point.  Relevant here is the scaling relationship between animal lifespan and heartbeats.  Each animal gets appriximately 2 billion beats. If you have a really fast beat like a bird, you get there fast. If it's slow like a whale, it takes a very long time. But across all species, this relationship holds true.    Also, metabolic rate scales to how strong an organism will be compared to another one, so if you were so inclned you could actually calculate just how much strength proportionate to a spider Peter Parker really gained.  Lots of other weird results can be determined from this.  For example apparently scientists who study this stuff can tell you the population of a city just by knowing the number of gas stations, and vice versa.  Some more info can be read here:  http://hep.ucsb.edu/courses/ph6b_99/0111299sci-scaling.html

    Nerd mode: OFF

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,453

    I don't think it's the size of Great Danes in particular that causes them to die at about age 8 but their average genetics, although the inbreeding that established the breed as viable to begin with probably introduced some typical Great Dane ailments. They really aren't that much bigger than wolves which live to a maximum of age 12 on average. There is this whole bell curve thing. Among mammals it's typical the large animals like elephants live longer and small ones like mice shorter spans of time.

    Interesting nerd fact that I'm sure Velma is aware of: there is a set of laws of nature that are rarely discussed called "scaling laws".  They are very interesting and can allow you to make eerily accurate predictions about lots of stuff given a small, seemingly insigificant data point.  Relevant here is the scaling relationship between animal lifespan and heartbeats.  Each animal gets appriximately 2 billion beats. If you have a really fast beat like a bird, you get there fast. If it's slow like a whale, it takes a very long time. But across all species, this relationship holds true.    Also, metabolic rate scales to how strong an organism will be compared to another one, so if you were so inclned you could actually calculate just how much strength proportionate to a spider Peter Parker really gained.  Lots of other weird results can be determined from this.  For example apparently scientists who study this stuff can tell you the population of a city just by knowing the number of gas stations, and vice versa.  Some more info can be read here:  http://hep.ucsb.edu/courses/ph6b_99/0111299sci-scaling.html

    Nerd mode: OFF

    Did you choose that avatar specifically for this discussion...?

     

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,453

    Well they had the copyright as soon as they thought of the concept so what they probably applied for was the trademark. There was a van that came to the summertime monthly 'Antique Auto Parade' painted up as the Mystery Machine. Also a Beetle as Herbie the Love Bug. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera when they drove by.

    Actually, they didn't.

    There is the legal principle of 'publish with notice', in which one can publish a copyrightable work, via any medium, with the 'notice of copyright' -- i.e., "Copyright ©, 2016, by <claimant>" -- and even the copyright sigil is not legally required; in other words, the act of claiming a copyright de facto, as well as de jure, grants that copyright. 

    But simply creating the concept is not sufficient.  Since no episodes of the series had yet been broadcast, nor, if memory serves, ever publicized in any way (and most likely not yet even produced to be broadcast), prior to the original series' debut, 'publishing with notice' would not have applied.  So HB would have had to go the statutory route.  And the year in which that copyright was granted would have been the year in the notice of copyright that appeared on the title sequence.

  • Ken OBanionKen OBanion Posts: 1,453

    Hmmm, I hadn't heard that. They say birds have higher heart rates. I wonder how many heart beats in a lifetime a Hyacinth MacCaw has.

    Based on an average life expectancy of 50 years and 275 beats per minute:  7,227,000,000.  (Man, the things you can find on the internet.)

     

    Hmmm, I hadn't heard that. They say birds have higher heart rates. I wonder how many heart beats in a lifetime a Hyacinth MacCaw has.

    Based on an average life expectancy of 50 years and 275 beats per minute:  7,227,000,000.  (Man, the things you can find on the internet.)

    Well, since birds are not mammals, I am going to suggest that that rule/guideline/statistical-norm/whatever does not apply.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,444

    Well they had the copyright as soon as they thought of the concept so what they probably applied for was the trademark. There was a van that came to the summertime monthly 'Antique Auto Parade' painted up as the Mystery Machine. Also a Beetle as Herbie the Love Bug. Unfortunately I didn't have a camera when they drove by.

    Actually, they didn't.

    There is the legal principle of 'publish with notice', in which one can publish a copyrightable work, via any medium, with the 'notice of copyright' -- i.e., "Copyright ©, 2016, by <claimant>" -- and even the copyright sigil is not legally required; in other words, the act of claiming a copyright de facto, as well as de jure, grants that copyright. 

    But simply creating the concept is not sufficient.  Since no episodes of the series had yet been broadcast, nor, if memory serves, ever publicized in any way (and most likely not yet even produced to be broadcast), prior to the original series' debut, 'publishing with notice' would not have applied.  So HB would have had to go the statutory route.  And the year in which that copyright was granted would have been the year in the notice of copyright that appeared on the title sequence.

    Well honestly I read about copyrights last year and figured out they were worthless to those that hold them without a cash reserve large enough of their own to exhaust the pocketbocks of copyrights violators and if you really had a business property you wanted to protect you'd better get trademarks. That won't stop the plagirizing of a popular concept but it will stop branding abuses in most of the industrilaized democracies.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,444
    edited March 2016

    I don't think it's the size of Great Danes in particular that causes them to die at about age 8 but their average genetics, although the inbreeding that established the breed as viable to begin with probably introduced some typical Great Dane ailments. They really aren't that much bigger than wolves which live to a maximum of age 12 on average. There is this whole bell curve thing. Among mammals it's typical the large animals like elephants live longer and small ones like mice shorter spans of time.

    Interesting nerd fact that I'm sure Velma is aware of: there is a set of laws of nature that are rarely discussed called "scaling laws".  They are very interesting and can allow you to make eerily accurate predictions about lots of stuff given a small, seemingly insigificant data point.  Relevant here is the scaling relationship between animal lifespan and heartbeats.  Each animal gets appriximately 2 billion beats. If you have a really fast beat like a bird, you get there fast. If it's slow like a whale, it takes a very long time. But across all species, this relationship holds true.    Also, metabolic rate scales to how strong an organism will be compared to another one, so if you were so inclned you could actually calculate just how much strength proportionate to a spider Peter Parker really gained.  Lots of other weird results can be determined from this.  For example apparently scientists who study this stuff can tell you the population of a city just by knowing the number of gas stations, and vice versa.  Some more info can be read here:  http://hep.ucsb.edu/courses/ph6b_99/0111299sci-scaling.html

    Nerd mode: OFF

    Mathematics and physics isn't prediction. 1 + 1 = 2, but I know what you mean. I'd be very surprised if my calculator told me that 1 + 1 = 3 and buy a new calculator. laugh

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