Epic Props: GodRays

AlienRendersAlienRenders Posts: 794
edited June 2016 in The Commons

Anyone try this out yet? I think iRay can now do godrays with the water volume trick without needing to have the camera outside the volume now. But it's still a pain to set up. If this product works well, I want to buy it, but I'd like to hear how well it works from people who have tried it.

 

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  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479

    Anyone try this out yet? I think iRay can now do godrays with the water volume trick without needing to have the camera outside the volume now. But it's still a pain to set up. If this product works well, I want to buy it, but I'd like to hear how well it works from people who have tried it.

    I've got this and I have to say, it's pretty ingenious. I've never been successful with the water volume trick, either. So I'm loving this Godrays product. It works with a prop attached to a spotlight. You can view the scene though the spotlight to point it where you want, or use the "Point At" option. There are a lot of presets and additional options to make it easy to find the look you want: color, density, lens flares, etc. And once you become familiar with how it works, you can fine tune it even more in the surfaces editor, if you want.

    Here's an image I did using this product:

    A Friend In Need, by L'Adair

    I spent more time trying to get the eye of the dog to not appear to be a black hole than I did setting up the light prop. (You might have to look at the larger image to see the eye is brown...) Anyway, I'm very pleased with this GodRay product.

  • ThatGuyThatGuy Posts: 797

    Looks amazing! I love this image.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056

    I can use the water volume trick fine (if you mean fog SSS). The problem is that it's a (swears elided) to set up, it often doesn't work well except at certain angles, often requires multiple renders to composite well, and takes forever to render.

    This product? Works fast, and great. It uses old style 'tricks,' but it does them VERY WELL. And what really matters, in the end, is whether it looks good. And it does.

    Gets a Will thumbs up.

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,784

    My only question is how does it affect render times? I've only done "godrays" once and I let the image run for 48 hrs and it only got to about 5%. Of course I have a crappy laptop, but still.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056

    It is very very very fast.

    The thing is, it doesn't use subsurface scattering or volume calculations at all. It's 'just' cleverly arranged planes with opacity maps. Which works way better than it sounds, AND is very very fast.

     

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,784

    It is very very very fast.

    The thing is, it doesn't use subsurface scattering or volume calculations at all. It's 'just' cleverly arranged planes with opacity maps. Which works way better than it sounds, AND is very very fast.

     

    Well that's good to know. Thanks. :)

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    ThatGuy said:

    Looks amazing! I love this image.

    Thank you. blush

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    My only question is how does it affect render times? I've only done "godrays" once and I let the image run for 48 hrs and it only got to about 5%. Of course I have a crappy laptop, but still.

    5 hours on a 980ti.

    Worth the wait for the effects, but yeh it sucks resources; but rendering is a resource-intensive hobby.

    Turning the prop off was less than five minutes, and might have been a minute or three less, but can't remember.

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  • mtl1mtl1 Posts: 1,507

    Does this work well for godways in forest scenes?

  • AlienRendersAlienRenders Posts: 794

    Thanks for the feedback. Into the cart it goes.

     

  • HeraHera Posts: 1,958

    It is very very very fast.

    The thing is, it doesn't use subsurface scattering or volume calculations at all. It's 'just' cleverly arranged planes with opacity maps. Which works way better than it sounds, AND is very very fast.

     

    That answered what I needed to know, as I own a similar product, which I haven't had much use for, it's a pass for me.

    Does anyone know by the way if it's possible to create calculated volumetrics in iray?

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056

    mtl1: Here's a forest (well, fern lake) render:

     

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  • Ralf1958Ralf1958 Posts: 688

    I love this product!

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  • mtl1mtl1 Posts: 1,507

    mtl1: Here's a forest (well, fern lake) render:

     

    Thanks :) Any renders right beside the trees? I'm wondering if the tree geometry will block/scatter the light properly...

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056

    I'll try to set up a scene where it's going right through a tree. Though for sanity's sake I think I'll just grab a single tree to do that.

     

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056

    Ok, here's an attempt.

    Note that, again, this isn't a calculated volume effect. It doesn't catch every single leaf. But what's interesting is that you can get different effects if you test out rotating the column in various ways... the rays 'catch' different parts of the geometry. This unevenness can be a huge feature, rather than a bug -- with a volume effect it tends to go EVERYWHERE, even if you don't want it to, and it's hard to fight just 'EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE MILK.'

    This took about 10, 15 mins to render. I could have cooked it longer, but good enough to demonstrate it.

     

     

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056

    What I'm excited about is that you could use this for energy blasts, ship drives, campfires, all sorts of stuff.

     

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056

    Well, I'm pleased!

    Just Cyclone (converted to Iray and some stuff tweaked to add Metallicity), epic godrays rendered on transparency and a starfield composited in underneath. No postwork other than the added starfield.

     

     

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  • KnittingmommyKnittingmommy Posts: 8,191

    That looks very cool, Will.  So, rendered on a transparency?  A little more details please!

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,056
    edited June 2016

    Oh, nothing fancy. I just did 'dome and scene,' set Dome and ground to 'off'

    So the backdrop is transparent and you can easily layer something in photoshop or whatever. If you have a lot of reflections it MIGHT get dodgy, but works fine for what I had.

    I was a little worried that the edges of the godrays would be too obvious, but the only noticeable effect are some striations due to the intersecting planes. (you can see brighter lines radiating out)

    But, given what it is... it actually looks 'right' for exhaust, so yay!

    Oh, for reference, I ended up using 'dispersion' with no dust.

     

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  • KnittingmommyKnittingmommy Posts: 8,191

    Thanks for explaining, Will.  I might have to give this a try!

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