Big Windows update headed your way...if you're using Windows 10

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  • TynkereTynkere Posts: 834

    win 10 | 1709 (build 16299.371) on a desktop -- no problems with Windows10UpgraderApp.exe operating in background.

    Powershell & regedit --> ditch all unwanted apps but "Mixed Reality Portal"  and "Connect"

    Anyone had any luck with those two?

    --Bruce

     

  • EBF2003EBF2003 Posts: 28

    http://greatis.com/blog/stopupdates10

    works great! toggle on or off easliy

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,015
    FWIW said:

    I have Win10 Pro and every update makes me wish Daz were Linux based. I HATE HATE HATE the idea of it being tied to my damn phone and such. 

    I haven't noticed anything like that, and in any case they can't do it unless you give them your phone number.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 104,311
    Taoz said:
    FWIW said:

    I have Win10 Pro and every update makes me wish Daz were Linux based. I HATE HATE HATE the idea of it being tied to my damn phone and such. 

    I haven't noticed anything like that, and in any case they can't do it unless you give them your phone number.

    I thought the video said theer were features (the history thing) that could sync, not that synching was required - in fact it pretty clearly said the reverse.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,938

    Just installed with no issues in a few minutes.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,699
    edited May 2018

     

    I often wonder what kind of mods or old-fashioned tweaks people are using that might be breaking stuff.  I'm sorry, but I just do.  But I've kept quiet because some rather respected people here keep dissing it and I just don't want to get into an argument.

    If your assumption though is that people must be doing something wrong to have a bad update experience then you probably are approaching this with a biased view.  People don't need to have tweaked anything to have a bad windows 10 upgrade experience. I'm glad you haven't had one yet but not everyone has that experience.

    Not every manufacturer produces hardware or drivers which are compatible with every windows 10 upgrade or provides updates for drivers in a timely way. . Windows generic drivers don't always work for every device. My hardware manufacturer ASUS produces hardly any new updates after they release their initial drivers. They also rely on generic windows drivers for quite a few of their devices. Those don't always work so well, or get broken when new updates are made.

    Updates broke the functionality of drivers and programs on my computer through no fault of my own.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,444
    edited May 2018

    Yes, My 7 year old HP laptop has a couple bits of specialty HW that HP is never going to update the drivers to work with Windows 10. I was amazed that intel updated the intel HD Graphics 4000 drivers for Windows 10 as recently as 17 April 2017 because intel and ASUS had abandoned the update of my ASUS EP121 tablet with the original intel HD Graphics GPU with exploding lithium battery only 1 1/2 years after public release.

    If the wrong drivers don't get updated on some bizarre proprietary HW integrated into your computer and you might get a failed Windows 10 upgrade although MS has gotten better at that not ruining updates as well since the 1st Windows 10 release in August 2015.

    Ocassional failed upgrades are not new with Windows 10 and it's impressive how much MS has improved the upgrade process over the decades for such a diverse selection of hardware that they don't manufacture, don't control if it's put in Windows machines, don't control how it's combined with other HW in Windows machines, and aren't responsible for and don't write optimized and manufacturer supplied drivers and SW for. 

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  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,115
    edited May 2018

    I had all kinds of trouble with the first big update to Windows 10, and I don't recall changing anything in windows. Not uninstalling any programs they provide or anything. The installation would go all the to the point where I was suppose enter my password and as soon as I started to type, the PC would freeze and restart. And after this would happen a number of times, Windows would say they were unable to complete the installation and would attempt to roll back my computer. And one time it said sorry we can't roll it back. Sorry. Goodbye. (I think I added the good-bye.) And this exact same problem was happening on two machines. I kept asking myself what could be common between two machines to cause the same behavior. I thought of the Microsoft wireless keyboard. And thought that was rediculous. After the 7th time, I got Microsoft support on the phone and while I was talking to him, I asked if it could be the keyboard and he said no. It wasn't the keyboard. But while I was talking to him, I went and got a usb keyboard and plugged it and the next time it came up for me to enter my password, I typed on the usb keyboard, and my password was accepted and I was in. Tech support had me do a few things and once I forgot and typed on the wireless keyboard and it froze and rebooted again. So it was the keyboard. Turns out that Microsoft had changed something about how the processed they keyboard and it caused a conflict with my anti-virus. Webroot said they didn't know why they did what they did, but they were working on a fix. So it doesn't have to be the owner that is causing the problems.

    Also when I was checking to see why I was stalling at 81%. I saw where some people who had a specific brand of wifi card were having to pull the card in order for the installation to complete. (I checked and mine wasn't that brand. I had an intel.) Some of the MVP's on the Microsoft forum were even telling people to do that, if they had that card. I personally don't think the average person shouldn't have to open their PC at all to install an update.

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  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,115

    Oh, and @thrain9, I feel for you. I'm glad I didn't have your experience. I saw on the Microsoft forum that they were advising people who had a stall to wait 4-7 hours before concluding that it was stuck. 7 hours! I don't think I could be that patient.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,015
    Taoz said:
    FWIW said:

    I have Win10 Pro and every update makes me wish Daz were Linux based. I HATE HATE HATE the idea of it being tied to my damn phone and such. 

    I haven't noticed anything like that, and in any case they can't do it unless you give them your phone number.

    I thought the video said theer were features (the history thing) that could sync, not that synching was required - in fact it pretty clearly said the reverse.

    Both cloud access and sync can be turned on/off as far as I could see. But even if I should turn on sync, I can't see how Microsoft should able to access or sync with my Android unless I connect it to their cloud service in some way (if that's possible at all). Maybe if you have a Windows Phone it might sync automatically, but still, only if you allow it.

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,077
    ghosty12 said:

    I did the update and the new features are very cool, for one you can now tell Windows update how much of you available bandwidth you will let it have.. Windows Timeline comes in handy in keeping track of what you have done over a period of time and there is a lot more..  Posting a video of what the new update brings..

    In windows 10 I can't seem to disable updates. It does it automatically. I had 3 updates last week and got stuck for 8 hours or so. It didn't even finish restarting so I have to completely power off then restart to finish the updates. The same scenario 3 months ago...

    No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..

    And here are the new throttling settings..

     

    I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.

    By the looks of it no, you can only limit it to 5% and 5 GB of bandwidth / data..

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,407
     

    I'm very curious to know if any of the big 3D, animation, graphic art, music publishers, or game makers have allowed their artists to resist Windows 10 and stay on older versions of Windows like people here have.  I kind of suspect that this wouldn't be allowed.

     

    ...software by Autodesk (3DS Max, Maya), Maxon (C4D) the Foundry (Modo) and Lightwave as well as Adobe Creative Cloud all still support older version of Windows back to W7 (Adobe CC back to WinXP).

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,783
    ghosty12 said:
    ghosty12 said:

    I did the update and the new features are very cool, for one you can now tell Windows update how much of you available bandwidth you will let it have.. Windows Timeline comes in handy in keeping track of what you have done over a period of time and there is a lot more..  Posting a video of what the new update brings..

    In windows 10 I can't seem to disable updates. It does it automatically. I had 3 updates last week and got stuck for 8 hours or so. It didn't even finish restarting so I have to completely power off then restart to finish the updates. The same scenario 3 months ago...

    No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..

    And here are the new throttling settings..

     

    I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.

    By the looks of it no, you can only limit it to 5% and 5 GB of bandwidth / data..

    Ah, crud. Ok. Well I guess I'll just keep the new system offline except for when i first set it up. How unfortunate.

  • ChezjuanChezjuan Posts: 524
    ghosty12 said:
    ghosty12 said:

    I did the update and the new features are very cool, for one you can now tell Windows update how much of you available bandwidth you will let it have.. Windows Timeline comes in handy in keeping track of what you have done over a period of time and there is a lot more..  Posting a video of what the new update brings..

    In windows 10 I can't seem to disable updates. It does it automatically. I had 3 updates last week and got stuck for 8 hours or so. It didn't even finish restarting so I have to completely power off then restart to finish the updates. The same scenario 3 months ago...

    No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..

    And here are the new throttling settings..

     

    I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.

    By the looks of it no, you can only limit it to 5% and 5 GB of bandwidth / data..

    Ah, crud. Ok. Well I guess I'll just keep the new system offline except for when i first set it up. How unfortunate.

    It can be turned off or modified. Go to settings, Windows Update, delivery optimization, advanced settings, set "allow downloads from other PCs" to off. That will stop this. Or, you can set it to "local network only" which will allow other Windows 10 PCs on your network to download updates (or portuons thereof) but not random Internet PCs.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,172
    edited May 2018
    KevinH said:

    Oh, and @thrain9, I feel for you. I'm glad I didn't have your experience. I saw on the Microsoft forum that they were advising people who had a stall to wait 4-7 hours before concluding that it was stuck. 7 hours! I don't think I could be that patient.

    It's times like that when I'm glad I have a Macbook, a Chromebook, a desktop, a Dell laptop, an MSI gaming laptop and an HP laptop (running Linux). I don't have to be jonesing while one of my machines is upgrading. LMAO.

    Hi, my name is Laurie and I'm a techaholic ;).

    Laurie

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  • JD_MortalJD_Mortal Posts: 760
    edited May 2018

     

    ghosty12 said:

    No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..

    And here are the new throttling settings..

     

    I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.

     

    You can stop updates completely. You can also block all microsoft IPs, in and out, or just coming in from the outside (the snooper replies). You should not fear the P2P thing, it is a home-network thing, not a global network share. (Connects connected devices to updates that they might not find if they don't normally have an individual connection. Intended for things like x-box, phones without data-plans, mp3-players, televisions, etc... which may not always have an "always-on" connection. Also intended for businesses/homes that have multiple computers. Instead of each computer downloading the same "updates" over and over, only one downloads it, then shares it among computers you already have given permissions to.)

    There are also registry hacks, to turn-off things like upates and your virus-scanner from turning itself back on, after every "update". (Oh, you thouhg turning it off was permanant. Nope, just until each new weekly update. Then it turns itself back on.)

    You also don't have to give them any personal information to setup and install windows. Use a disposable email to setup windows, then disable the email connection in windows and delete the actual email account. It isn't a requirement to have an online account for windows. All that stuff can be disabled or just ignored, by clicking "Next", without entering any data. (Or just by removing the internet connection while installing.)

    Post edited by JD_Mortal on
  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,077
    Chezjuan said:
    ghosty12 said:
    ghosty12 said:

    I did the update and the new features are very cool, for one you can now tell Windows update how much of you available bandwidth you will let it have.. Windows Timeline comes in handy in keeping track of what you have done over a period of time and there is a lot more..  Posting a video of what the new update brings..

    In windows 10 I can't seem to disable updates. It does it automatically. I had 3 updates last week and got stuck for 8 hours or so. It didn't even finish restarting so I have to completely power off then restart to finish the updates. The same scenario 3 months ago...

    No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..

    And here are the new throttling settings..

     

    I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.

    By the looks of it no, you can only limit it to 5% and 5 GB of bandwidth / data..

    Ah, crud. Ok. Well I guess I'll just keep the new system offline except for when i first set it up. How unfortunate.

    It can be turned off or modified. Go to settings, Windows Update, delivery optimization, advanced settings, set "allow downloads from other PCs" to off. That will stop this. Or, you can set it to "local network only" which will allow other Windows 10 PCs on your network to download updates (or portuons thereof) but not random Internet PCs.

    Learn something new everyday, I myself didn't know that turning off that setting stopped the upload part.. :)

  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,333

    Only issue I've had was the video drivers needed to be uninstalled, rebooted and it reinstalled them and all was well.  Other than that the update was easy and non destructive to my system. 

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,806
    FWIW said:

    I have Win10 Pro and every update makes me wish Daz were Linux based. I HATE HATE HATE the idea of it being tied to my damn phone and such. 

    Win 10 pro here and it's not tied to my phone.

  • alkenalken Posts: 264
    edited May 2018

    After reading some of these posts I was afraid to update my 1 year old Win 10 Pro desktop, but everything went smoothly yesterday afternoon. The whole process took less than an hour.  

    Post edited by alken on
  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,783
    Chezjuan said:
    ghosty12 said:
    ghosty12 said:

    I did the update and the new features are very cool, for one you can now tell Windows update how much of you available bandwidth you will let it have.. Windows Timeline comes in handy in keeping track of what you have done over a period of time and there is a lot more..  Posting a video of what the new update brings..

    In windows 10 I can't seem to disable updates. It does it automatically. I had 3 updates last week and got stuck for 8 hours or so. It didn't even finish restarting so I have to completely power off then restart to finish the updates. The same scenario 3 months ago...

    No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..

    And here are the new throttling settings..

     

    I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.

    By the looks of it no, you can only limit it to 5% and 5 GB of bandwidth / data..

    Ah, crud. Ok. Well I guess I'll just keep the new system offline except for when i first set it up. How unfortunate.

    It can be turned off or modified. Go to settings, Windows Update, delivery optimization, advanced settings, set "allow downloads from other PCs" to off. That will stop this. Or, you can set it to "local network only" which will allow other Windows 10 PCs on your network to download updates (or portuons thereof) but not random Internet PCs.

     

    JD_Mortal said:

     

    ghosty12 said:

    No with Win 10 Home you can not stop the updates but you can tell it not to restart your system when you don't want it to..

    And here are the new throttling settings..

     

    I know when I get a new system it's going to be W10, so i have a question about those Throttling Settings. Is it possible to completely turn off the Uploading part? I'm not really comfortable with my system being used as some sort of P2P server by Windows.

     

    You can stop updates completely. You can also block all microsoft IPs, in and out, or just coming in from the outside (the snooper replies). You should not fear the P2P thing, it is a home-network thing, not a global network share. (Connects connected devices to updates that they might not find if they don't normally have an individual connection. Intended for things like x-box, phones without data-plans, mp3-players, televisions, etc... which may not always have an "always-on" connection. Also intended for businesses/homes that have multiple computers. Instead of each computer downloading the same "updates" over and over, only one downloads it, then shares it among computers you already have given permissions to.)

    There are also registry hacks, to turn-off things like upates and your virus-scanner from turning itself back on, after every "update". (Oh, you thouhg turning it off was permanant. Nope, just until each new weekly update. Then it turns itself back on.)

    You also don't have to give them any personal information to setup and install windows. Use a disposable email to setup windows, then disable the email connection in windows and delete the actual email account. It isn't a requirement to have an online account for windows. All that stuff can be disabled or just ignored, by clicking "Next", without entering any data. (Or just by removing the internet connection while installing.)

    More details about this are always good to know, so thank you both. I'll probably still wind up turning it off as much as I can, since there are no other W10 computers in my house and I don't have any other "connected tech" except for my phone, but that's android. I don't mind my new system being offline only, since I'll still have my W7 laptop for backup, and transfering downloaded files to the new computer.

    I'm pretty comfortable with how the past Windows OS work, so I think I'll be ok. I can hack it if I need to.

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,975

    I have been slow to adopt the updates.  I have updates shut off and new features postponed by 365 days.   Though i may update soon just ot get it done and over with.

  • ChezjuanChezjuan Posts: 524

    I ran the update on my main DAZ machine. It went smoothly, but now dForce says "no Open CL devices found" so it looks like I need to update my graphics card drivers and reinstall the Intel CPU framework (and anything else I need to do to get DAZ to see them again).

    I am not sure that is a "just me" thing, or if it is something others should watch out for too.

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,534

    some pass updates did cause problems with my 1080gtx cards ms wanted to update them instead of letting nvidia but that hasn't been a problem for a long time. With this update had no problems probably for one on unimited internet now and speed is ok on nbn now. Haven't noticed any changes differences really guess not using anything it affects really except for odd thing every now and again I get a pop up that says one of my drives is nearly full with only around 44 MB left on it and should delete some stuff to free up space which obviously would concern me but the so called drive is Drive G I don't actually have a Drive G at least not one I can work out I have my main C drive 537GB of 930GB left and two additional drives in Raid - my D drive has 2.77 TB of 3.63TB left and my F drive with 3.17TB of 3.63TB left these two raids are used for basicly everything including daz 

    Now this G local drive as said has about 44MB of 449MB left and I have not seen this before before this update but seems related to the recycle bin and something else when I've clicked on the warning and deleted what it says doensn't change size though and inside are sub folders $RECYCLEBIN, Recovery, and new one added just noticed System Volume Information - has anyone else seen any of this since the new update? Oh and something else not sure if it was a past update or not had this for months but i've got all over the place desktop short cut icons all over the place in different sub sections of my computer

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,534

    this computer is my main one most powerful one so just mainly been on this one and had w10 pro installed but I have 3 others one laptop pretty old outdated still on that windows that was after xp forgot what that is wouldn't have a chance with w10, but I also have a desktop that I updated from 7 to 10 and a decent think still laptop updated from 8 to 10 when we had the free windows upgrade but I haven't updated those in a few months now so don't know how they'll go be a lot of new updates for both. I do remember some prior updates did remove some programs mostly MS windows add ons some replaced like paint got removed but there's paint3d replacement still haven't looked tried it out yet not really sure what are other w10 programs and what I've had added extras elsewhere from other things or were added from the ones that built my computer

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,650

    I just had to replace the hard drive in my destop and a short way into intalling Windows it said it was going to download 3 GBytes of update. It's a good thing I'm on unlimited downloads now.

    Meanwhile my laptop keeps showing a message saying We need more free space to install important updates. This is one of those convertibles where you can seperate the screen and keyboard and it onlly has a 64 GByte flash memory C: drive so it's always a bit low of space. The last time it did a big feaure update nothing actually broke but it became less reliable and one of the applications I use a lot started to crash every now and then. Maybe if I ignore the mesage and don't free up any space I can avoid mor update problems.

  • glaseyeglaseye Posts: 1,312

    While the update to win 10 1803 was quite fast on my (almost 6 year old) system (win 10 pro), there were some glitches at 1st with older saved DS Scenes. Though it looks, after a few reboots, that problem did disappear. 

    Now, I'm still missing my Norton right click menu ( https://community.norton.com/en/forums/norton-right-click-context-menu-missing-after-windows-update )

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,586

    For me the update went smoothly, but it breaks networking with my Mac (thanks to them dropping homegroups), so I rolled it back. Now like Matty I have shut off updates & deferred for 365 days, in the (probably vain) hope that they come to their senses and fix the networking.

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037

    Win10 update took about 30 minutes... now I just have to check what useless stuff I have to turn off again,as I don't use it the way microsoft seems to expect me to use it...

  • Sfariah DSfariah D Posts: 26,760

    My computer updated to the newest version while I was at work.  Not sure how long it took.

    I have problems with windows 10 and video driver issues on old notebooks.  Not really an issue with my new notebook.  Maybe other issues but I think there is no such thing as a perfect computer 100% of the time.

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