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Allegorithmic (Substance Painter/Designer etc) Joining With Adobe
BlueIrene
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According to an e-mail I've just received, Substance Painter/Designer etc are about to become Adobe products. I can't say I'm wild about the idea - what do other users think?
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Oh gawd no. Don't get me wrong. I love Photoshop - PRE cloud edition. I kinda despise "for rent" software.
Laurie
It depends. If the Substance Suite just gets added to Creative Cloud, it'll likely save me some money (unless CC raises prices to match). Short term, anyway, I don't think it's a big deal. Longer term, Adobe's historical lack of focus on quality control could have detrimental effects.
A point in favor, though, is Adobe tends to open up their APIs leaving the possibility of some third party adding Substance support to products like DAZ.
Link: TechCrunch
Allegorithmic has already gone the "for rent" route to the tune of $20/month for the Substance Suite.
P.S. I don't really like it either, but it's the way everyone is going, and I understand the reasoning.
Oh, I know. That's why open source looks more and more attractive ;)
Laurie
I'm glad I use 3dcoat! I hate rental software>REALLY BAD FOR CONSUMER<
Blegh... there goes any chance of me EVER buying it... it had a great license model too... I’ll never ever do subscription software, it’s nice as an option like Filter Forge does (buy or subscribe), but when it’s the only option it’s just a damned money grab.
I loved Photoshop up until it became a subscription... then it was dead to me... I will keep my old laptop running CS3 until forever if have to.
I’ll keep using 3D coat.
I guess I should have seen this coming, since most of the 3D materials in Adobe Stock were from Allegorithmic. On the one hand, I already subscribe to both Adobe CC and Substance, so maybe this will save me money. On the other, I was also hoping to eventually own the Substance programs outright. Not super excited about this at all, though, unless Adobe decides to allow Substance to paint across multiple maps, like with the Genesis figures.
I wonder how this will effect those who just do the Substance suite sub
Can't say I'm happy about this. My heart sank when I read the email. Another corporate take over of a great indie company. I expect nothing will be the same a few years down the road (and not in a positive way). I just hope they don't integrate Substance software into Adobe Cloud packages . I'm scratching my head as to why they sold out - their software had become well used and well respected in the 3D market, and was becoming (or is) an industry standard. Their blog post and email says nothing will change (except licenses). I think that's naieve. Things always change after a takeover , and as it's Adobe I can't imagine for the better.
It had a great hobbyist license too. This kinda stuff really kills it for people not doing this professionally.
Another one bites the dust.
I don't like this. It will probably become subscription based, and, knowing Adobe, I wouldn't be surprised if they tell you that you need a subscription to access the substance Share library of textures, so best to download them now while they're still available
I like this news. I paid $150 for Substance Painter before they went to a subscription plan and now I have an outdated version because I didn't want to pay a recurring fee for a program I hardly use. I use Photoshop CC all the time, so if it ends up not being too expensive to add Substance Painter to the plan, I'll definitely add it. The possibility of their commercial texture libraries being added to the Creative Cloud subscription plan would be a very nice change if it were to occur.
I really don't know why people criticize Adobe. Photoshop is the alpha and omega of graphic software, nothing comes close. I tried three alternatives to After Effects and none of them were as intuitive or stable. They've almost eliminated the mass piracy of Photoshop with the subscription plan while making it affordable to practically all artists. Their last large free CC update added thousands of quality brushes and new masking features that would have probably resulted in a $300 upgrade option for the pre-CC versions. Not really sure where all the hate comes from.
The issue is being subscription only - subscription suits soem people, it lowers the entry point for newcomers, that's all good. But some of us want to pay and be done 9until an upgrade looks desirable or an OS update breaks the version we have), not have a constant outgoing. The current Allegorithmic mode;l does allow a purchase and keep approach, unless it's chnaged since I last checked (I let my maintene=ance lapse as I wasn't using the software so it may have done so).
That email really disappointed me, too. I love Adobe's software, but the subscription prices are too high unless you constantly use the apps for work.
Soon as I read the email, I immediately canceled my subscription to Allegorithmic and turned my subscription into perpetual licenses. Just going to turtle up and see what happens, but this way at least I will have versions I can continue to use for years... assuming Adobe doesn't do something radical and kill the license server.
I don't mind paying for subscription -- that's what I did with Substance previously and what I still do with Mudbox -- but I have a lot of concerns about Adobe regarding this acquisition. Substance changed the playing field for 3d texturing, and my main worry is that they'll try and force it into something it was never designed to be. I'm hopeful though because the existing Allegoritmic team IS staying on, and I've always had good experiences dealing with them in the past.
It's way more than that though. We tend to hate big corporations, Autodesk and Adobe happen to be the big two in the creative industry. It is painful to see when any of them buy up another small company like Allegorithmic that managed to give us innovative software with great licencing options. And to be fair, not often does such a take over result in anything good. Adobe isn't exactly known for innovation, their software mostly stale in recent years. Worst case they just let the software die or they try and incorporate the tech into their own software packages. Best case, Substance Painter etc. will get developed faster. Either way it will all be part of Creative Cloud.
I get that subscription only is annoying and it sucks to not to pay and be done.
As for the quality and development, I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. I do like Photoshop and its various upgrades (including "liquify" when you want to make adjustments to facial expressions or some other changes when you don't want to re-render, and its content-aware fill features that have been expanded upon recently).
I just hope that Adobe treats the Substance programs with the utmost care rather than let it stagnate and abandon it. I would think that they acquired Substance to make a more substantial leap into 3D, and really hope that they treat this seriously.
Sigh...... As far as I know, this did not change. You subsribe for 12 months in a row and you have the option to purchase a perpetual licesne - which I did in December. I guess now, I forsee it all going to subscription, so whatever I downloaded in December I hope still works. I guess I will not be able to upgrade unless I go for a subscription??... Going to contact them and find out. I like Adobe and subscribe for their products, I do get tired of that payment every month. On the other hand, Adobe has come out with some pretty awesome features in Illustrator that I am enjoying.
Substance designer, painter and b2m is normally $150 on steam with specials coming in at around $100. Where I come from it drops to $40. That's a 4 month photoshop subscription. with Adobe's name behind it, they are going to take it off of Steam, and bring it in line with the pricing of their other products. If you don't use it all the time, you don't want to buy it and keep it for a couple of years. You don't want to have to keep paying for something you use once every 3 months.
Well, that's infinitely disappointing.
Agreed, that is my way of looking at it. I would rather pay a lump sum and be done, rather that shelling out every month. I have this attitude towards all bills. My car is payed for, I have no credit card debt and the only monthly nills are utlities, phone and rent.
I don't hate big corporations, I am all for them if the products are good. I hate monopolies though and agree on to many companies being less and less innovative the bigger they get.
I have used SP in the past and was thinking of getting it again, but now i doubt it.
nothing good comes from indie software bought out by Adobe or Autodesk.
this makes me very sad indeed( my 3DS Max is an old version(2012, i think), and i stopped at Photoshop, etc CS6 versions.)
link
It's a done deal.
If you go to the website, they already have "an Adobe Company" under their logo. Poor guys, they're not going to get away with selling out to Adobe unscathed: Adobe seems to be one of the most hated companies in the world...lol. I don't like them either. Much as I love Photoshop and have been using it since 1992, I've been using Affinity Photo more and more and even bought Affinity Designer. Maybe not as robust as Adobe software, but for what I do, sufficient.
Laurie
I'm not anti-subscription plan per se. What has me up in arms with the Adobe plan is this: There is no loyalty exit plan. When you can no longer afford to pay the monthly fee, you are shut out completely. Your only alternative is to go back to the newest old software you have. In my case, that's CS6. But you can shell out enough money every year to have paid for an annual upgrade, but in the end, you have nothing. All those editiable files you've created with CC become nothing but digital dross on your hard drive. You may be able to open them in CS6, but you won't be able to edit anything that requires the newer features.
With Substance pre Adobe, with the Indie lIcense at least, you could subscribe for as long as you wanted and anytime after 12 months, you could purchase the perpetual license for a mere $49. Even if you didn't get any upgrades after that, at least none of your files were locked to you. But Adobe CC has no such exit plan. You can pay hundreds of dollars a year for 10 or 15 years, but if and when you quit the subscription plan, you can't purchase a perpetual copy that gives you access to all those files you created during that time.
No, thank you. I don't miss what I never had.
Adobe, on the other hand, has missed out on about $600/year from me since they went to the subscription only format. I know I'm not alone. It's not possible to quantify how much money they didn't make, but I'm sure they've lost out on hundreds of thousands of dollars every year from folks who refuse to go to their subscription format. But hey, I guess they don't miss what they never had either!
I didn't notice that. lol
I just signed up for the Indie Subscription, after screenshotting the FAQ that states I can buy Substance outright for $49 anytime after 12 months. I know I'm taking a chance, but I decided a year ago I was going to go this route and pick up the suite. I'm just doing it a few months earlier than I expected, to lock in the deal for the perpetual license.
If push comes to shove, I believe Adobe must legally honor the advertising on the website.
Well, I hope this makes 3D coat more popular and drives them to make more advances in their 3D painting tools.
So that Adobe buys them too?
L’Adair: on the flip side there are people who wouldn’t buy Photoshop if it wasn’t subscription.
I don’t know if I ever would have; Ive never bought Photoshop apps, and before subscription made do with free alternatives.