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I wonder how it will affect third parties who use substance in their apps
Reallusion in iClone for example
Yes. I know.
The subscription format is perfect for companies who can now deduct the money they pay for subscription, when before they had to use the depreciation model. (In the US, anyway.) And it is affordable to pay only a few dollars every month for the one program, allowing people who could otherwise never afford it to use Photoshop, (or other programs.)
I would have signed up in a heartbeat for the full package if they'd had some sort of loyalty plan for long-time customers/subscribers. But in their efforts to curb piracy, they treat everyone as a potential thief, regardless of how much money you've given them over the years. I suppose it only takes one, but I feel insulted on one level, and angry on another.
Yes make sure you get a copy of the agreement, because it could take class action to protect your current agreement !
When it comes to licensing, nothing changes for now. Your current licenses will continue running and getting updates. As we join the Adobe family, we will also unveil new and more flexible subscription offers in the coming months. We will share more details about these new and exciting licensing options at a later date.
LOL... New. Flexible, Exciting… For whom?
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I'm hoping that as well and have taken a screenshot too. I notice that it no longer mentions the possibility of owning the software on the payment page (it did once - I checked via the Wayback Machine to make sure I wasn't going any dafter), but it's still on the FAQ page. I've made ten consecutive payments, with the twelfth being due in early march. The intention was always to pay the $49 for the perpetual license after this, and I'd just like to see some assurance that the deal I actually signed up for will be honoured.
Posts by the former owners on the Allegorithmic forum only say that licensing will be fair (to who?) and that it will be announced later this year (so any time between tomorrow and the end of December then!). If anything less vague has been said then I doubt I'll be the one to find it. Those scant details were picked up from reading a forum thread over there which had grown to 26 pages by the time I went to bed, pages of posts from users who were overwhelmingly against the idea (I think I saw about five posts in favour). It had grown to 32 pages by the time I got up this morning and they are staying unread - life's too short.
They have gained my business also, I could never have afforded the lump sum but the subscription suits me, monthly payments I can budget for, just take sandwiches to work a couple of days a week and its more than paid for.
It sad news, but what one can do about it.
It is time to search for the alternatives.
I grabbed a Perpetual license straight away before Adobe cut them off !
Might have to get back into 3dcoat again their PBR stuff is pretty good plus it handles multiple UVs and can go up to 16K resolution.
It is still possible to buy another year of maintenance for perpetual licenses, for $75 Indie.
I asked in their forum thread for someone to come in and be specific to answer the question about converting the Indie License subscription to a perpetual license. I don't know if their links to posts works as well as here, but with luck you can read that post here, (I hope. Response #603 598 on page number 41 40.)
The fifth post after that was from Jeremy Noguer, who led the response with an unqualified Yes.
I feel a bit better. Though I am not optimistic about the long term future of Substance with Adobe.
ETA: Looks like the mods at Allegorithmic removed a few posts. My post moved to page 40 and the response number changed. Hopefully I won't need to update this post again. Fingers crossed!
Even so...one more software I can scratch off my list. I've been familiar with Adobe for way too long to know that even tho there may be perpetual versions now, there won't be in the future. Also, if you're a linux user you're probably screwed too. What a shame. In any event, I do have 3D Coat, so I'll make do with that :).
Laurie
I get it, Laurie. I expect I'll not see any updates once my license goes perpetual. I can live with that.
Perhaps they removed a few posts containing voodoo curses and death threats. I understand the frustration of many in the substance community but I think that making this a life or death situation is slightly melodramatic. I cashed out a few months ago and got a perpetual license so I just hope I can get a few years out of it. In the meantime perhaps Adobe/Allegorithmic will prove us wrong or Blender BATS (Blender Artistic Texturing and Shading) will step up to the plate.
$75 ??? I could only get it for $145 or did I get the lot ?
Even with posts removed there are still 43 pages over there this morning. Either the Vocal Few have plenty to say for themselves or that's a lot of disgruntled users. I'm half wondering if even this is regarded as 'success' by Allegorithmic in some warped way,as they'd have saved us all 20+ pages if they'd been this clear in their responses a bit sooner! Thanks for your efforts in managing to cut through all that hot air to get a straight answer. I still took a screenshot of his response though :)
Not thrilled with the news but nothing to be done.
I'll just use it for now as it's the best and most efficient way for me to texture my models. If the price goes out of my range...I'll have to do things the hard way. Still, if I'm not making enough money off it by then, I'd have to rethink the cost anyway.
So did I. When I took the screenshot, it was all on one page, so I have both my full post and his response.
I read the first 22 pages or so, yesterday and finally skipped to the end. That was page 30-something. I've been refreshing the page and reading the new posts. So 10-12 pages I skipped. It was all the same vitriolic, knee-jerk stuff. Not that I blame anyone, it just got boring to read. The one thing that stood out to me, though, was the numerous posts asking about the Indie subscription to Perpetual License option and the only person who responded never really addressed the issue.
Although my post mentions law suits and FTC fines, I was really outlining my thought processes. I didn't come to my conclusions blindly or naively, but I figured that would be the reponse of many, so I included how I came to the conclusions. I suspect, however, their inclusion in the post are at least partially responsible for a straight answer.
And while there are a vocal few posting over and over again, there are also a lot of disgruntled users. As well as numerous people who are just scared this move means they won't be able to afford the software in not-so-distant the future.
I did the same yesterday, fingers crossed for us all. Personally I am not too bothered, nieve maybe but Adobe subscrition finally allowed me to get Photoshop as I need it. If that situation changes and I only do hobby stuff then I will go back to Gimp etc.
This was another year of maintenance on an existing perpertual license, per application (Painter and Designer, at least - I didn't check B2M).
This isn’t really a solution but I came across this a few days before I read about Allegorithmic going Adobe... https://armorpaint.org It’s still in development, it’s not really like substance painter, but it’s definitely something to keep an eye on and unless l’m mistaken, it’s open source...
And then of course there is Mari- Non commercial... the alternative I keep forgetting about, which is good for hobbyists on a NON-COMMERCIAL basis... https://www.foundry.com/products/mari/non-commercial
And two other things, which could be useful to some people in this situation...
•Awesome Bump... https://github.com/kmkolasinski/AwesomeBump
•This one is a little more difficult to understand... http://www.pixaflux.com/index.php
And i was voting for Allegorythmic as best developer of year in steam :o
Armorpaint needs a new logo… My heart skipped a beat when I opened the page to see a big fat Adobe logo in the middle of the banner! It took me a few seconds to realize it's not Adobe's logo, but their own. LOL
Cool - will keep an eye on ArmorPaint - it's based off the Armor Game Engine (Blender related / compatible engine).
One big advantage of Substance Painter though, is Substance Source - whole bunch of readily available materials with commercial licensing. (I've dabbled in Substance Designer too for some things but Source saves a lot of time).
http://boundingboxsoftware.com/materialize/index.php
I don't like subscriptions, they usually work out more expensive than buying. I buy my smartphone, is one excellent example.
Exactly.
It all depends. It costs me £10 a month (£120 a Year) for Photoshop. How much did CS6 cost to buy, over £600 in one go. So in 5 years of subscribing (= to the outright cost of CS6) I get upgrades etc and no risk of the software not being compatible with the OS. I am not saying I like it but it did give me the opportunity to get Photoshop, which I NEED, without the high outlay that I could never afford.
For some in photography, Photoshop was a major resource. However once it went to subscription, many photographers abandoned it and it has lead to the introduction and/or further development of many excellent programs which are available to buy. Luminar 2018 comes to mind, as does ON1. Some of these would be useful for CGI users I think. There is a lot of work to develop something further which will completely replace Photoshop. Certainly among photographers, there is a lot of resentment towards Adobe; if you read the online photography sites you can find reviews of many of these programs and there is no hesitation in mentioning that there is a movement to develop a complete replacement for Photoshop.
Myself, I detest subscription plans like Adobe has. I know the story about piracy, but I see it as another expression of greed.
Everyone finds different features of benefit. It will still be more expensive in the long-run.
Personally, Photoshop subscription is one of the few examples that works reasonably well.
oh yeah each to the own and all that. I never invest to much emotion into these things and would never try to persuade others to do what is good for me.