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Based on what I read, your top end sounds normal compared to many user. 45 deg C idle sounds hawt though. But everything takes time and energy to figure out. Mine tops out at 65degC, and more like 58 deg. But as you know now, I hate heat.
All I can say for my experience, is if you want to explore heat, part of solution is (a) mondo case (b) more fans the better and (c) open case for even more air flow if you can. But if heat is good, then all is good.
Looked at liquid cooling, but too chicken with regular mainenance. Idea that cooler develops leak and splashes my expsensive PC parts is just too much. May design a custom cooling solution for PC yet to vent heat outside, as once you are used to less heat, it's hard to give up.
re: cooling fans few options out there. My new mobo MSI has awesome fan control via BIOS. But now still faced with moving heat somewhere out of house. Thinking a duct above PC would work that moves to outside.
Computers are awesome. Vice or quality of life mondo? Who can say lol.
Initially the figures, morphs etc are loaded into memory from harddrive. So NVME should make a diff for all. But yeah, figure itself is minute in size. Each morph has deltas for each morph, compund that with tons of moprhs and your computer reads and reads all these deltas.
When done loading, your Mem takes over, assuming evrything fits.. Supposedly many AMD CPUS like/prefer/optimized for 3600 mhz Mem. So that's what I bought. Surprised really that 3k mem is really the standard still. DDR5 is coming, but mass consumption seems far behind ie affordable ram.
I think I might go for higher clocked memory above the 3200 that I listed above.
Just saw this. What was 45deg Idle vs this lower Idle just posted? Like computer stuff, so just curious.
3600mhz mem should be right if you are going AMD CPU. With 2x32gb you have option to upgrade. Dual channel just means you put2x32 in slots A & C, and fill B&D with other mem if you upgrade. (Some mobos may be B&D first).
The CPU idles at around 28-35C and the GPU idles at around 45C.
In regards to dual-channel vs quad-channel...I just wasn't sure if I could use all 4 dims. I thought I had read that dual-channel can't make use of 4 dims as readily as quad-channel, but I could very well have misunderstood.
Ah. Got ya on temps. Good to know. For whatever it may be worth for comparison, here's my GPU temp right now. See attached screenshot.
Most mobos i know of are dual channel which means paired memory, or you buy in sets of 2. So set up as A&C, or B&D. Maybe other variations I don't know of. Quad channel is not so common from my travels.
...most i7s from the first generation (Nehalem 900 series) Through Skylake-X supported 4 memory channels. For i9s only Skylake-X and Cascade Lake CPUs support 4 memory channels . All Threadripper generations support 4 memory channels while.Epyc supports 8 memory channels.
I just last week replaced a 2080ti and 1080ti in my system with a 3090. The 2080ti is a blower card (all I could fit with the 1080ti) so the new setup is faster, quieter and a lot cooler. You won't regret your upgrade, but you will enjoy the extra speed that it gives.
You have some errant processes running or overclocking? My overclocked Ryzen 5950x is still only 39-40C idle.
Also keep in mind power draw over time. Just to throw numbers around, say it's worth it to draw 350 watts with a 3090 over 250 watts if your render is cut from 2 hours to an hour (350x1 vs 250x2).
Congrats on the new computer Melissa, and yes the FTW3 card has always had an MSRP of $1899. It's a great card. Some may debate whether it's worth the premium, but it's one of if not the fastest 3090 cards.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
I just got the text notification today on the charge hitting my Amazon card (I get texts on every transaction), and it just sunk in that I spent $2,714 plus tax on a graphics card. LOL. I know I'll love it as long as it comes in as promised and everything works, and I know I'll love it even more when I render my first scene without needing to scrutinize every asset wondering if it's going to tip the scale to dropping to CPU. And I know I'll love it when I can play CyberPunk with ray tracing and all the other pretty bells and whistles. Maybe I'll actually finish Assassin's Creed Valhalla.
The local builder gave the green light on the build list, though there are a couple other cases from Corsair I'm considering. I'm not sure which one I'll end up with -
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Mid-Tower-ATX-Cases/iCUE-5000X-RGB-Tempered-Glass-Mid-Tower-ATX-PC-Smart-Case/p/CC-9011212-WW - this is the case I originally had on the list and I really like that this case allows for a 360mm radiator to be mounted at the top and not just the front
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Crystal-Series-680X-RGB-High-Airflow-Tempered-Glass-ATX-Smart-Case/p/CC-9011168-WW - I like how this case provides more room for cable management and it does allow for 4 2.5" over the 3 with the above...though the above case has more room for the GPU (max 400mm over this case's max 330mm)(this case also only allows for 360mm radiator to be mounted at the front)
Either way, I'll be buying some additional Corsair case fans as well as the Commander Pro controller.
I'm also not sure if I should stick with the Aorus mobo or go with the ASUS Strix, which a lot of people also seem to like. Apparently the X570 mobos across the board have been problematic (from what I've read), so I'm not sure which one really shines out of the pack.
GamersNexus has good case reviews, really boils down to what you want and or your needs. The 680 has that separate chamber for storage and can also hold more 3.5" drives as well. Also from the links appears to have more airflow, which is probably worthwhile if your FTW3 card is air cooled and you want to push it as far as you can. It does look a fair bit larger.
I have an Asus X570 with a Ryzen 5950x and it's been very stable.
I'm not sure which one is actually bigger in terms of airflow...I'm leaning towards the first (5000x) as that one can mount a bigger radiator at the top (the other is limited to the front), and there is significantly more clearance lengthwise for a large gpu (400mm vs 330mm). The 5000x also appears to have some decent room for cables if I don't use the side-back fan bracket (which I wouldn't). I definitely need to read some reviews on them both. I currently have a Corsair 570x tempered glass case and it was an absolute nightmare for cable management. The cables are packed in there so tight it's a miracle I can actually screw the side panel in place. I love the look of the tempered glass cases (both of the ones above are glass too) but I have to wonder if it's really worth it. They look amazeballs for like 5min before they get dirty...and you pretty much can't ever clean the case to the point it looks new again. Corsair does offer the 5000x with some neat graphics, one of which is CyberPunk themed...that might be neat and would cover up some of the glass.
I'd suggest looking into liquid cooling. They are super easy to install and even on the heaviest loads I don't get above 38C. It idels on about 32C. If I have DS, UV Layout, Photoshop, and Substance painter all at the same time I get 37-38C. The only upkeep there is is cleaning the vents on the radiator once a month. You can get good ones that are under $100 US.
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Had posted further down on same page:
"My old PC i5-6600k + Aorus 2080Ti runs at 28-29deg C on idle (still win7 that i luv).
New rig idles at 36-38, and with Win10 doing it's thing checking it can often run at 41deg C.'
So my idle temp is better than yours. Not so?
No errant issues other than one occasional mandatory Win10 process.
There always remains the risk that liquid will develop a leak, despite upkeep. How widespread this is, I can't say. Have read bad stories, but they are just anecdotal. Just know air-cooled won't fail at a key time. Liquid may.
Given more short-term QC on so many products, I'd be reluctant with liquid.
But MJ already wrote she enjoys AIO. So i think she's doing Liquid in a form already. Just not her GPU so far.
Liquid may help keep the GPU cooler, but this heat is still getting dissipated into the room. A lot of people overlook this. Wattage used directly translates to heat generated, and 3090s use a lot more than any single GPU in recent memory. Combined with a beefy CPU a computer with a 3090 can be putting out as much heat as a small space heater, that is not an exaggeration, especially if you have 2 GPUs for rendering.
For gaming, the 3090 itself not only runs hotter, but it also causes the CPU to run hotter as well. This might sound crazy, but this comes down to 2 factors:
-The 3090 can run some very high frame rates in some games. This can push a CPU pretty hard as it works to keep up.
-The residual heat from the 3090 may also impact other parts in the PC.
But it is the high frame rates that cause most of it. I just so happened to have watched some comparison videos lately. Since you do play games, you might be interested in this.
This one compares the last 4 generations of "x80ti" models. To me, I find comparisons like this pretty fun. But 2 things stand out here besides the improved frame rates. While the last 3 generations all fit nicely around a 240-250 Watt window, the 3080ti is cracking out 340+ Watts in all the games. The test system has a 10900k, and it also lists how many Watts the 10900k is using. With the 3080ti there is a clear jump in CPU Wattage. In Red Dead 2, the 10900k is using around 61 Watts with 980ti, but with a 3080ti it is using 105 Watts! That is a 44 Watt jump, even though the CPU and other hardware are exactly the same. Thus the total system power has jumped even more than just the GPU's.
What's more...the 3090 uses even more power than the 3080ti.
For a more direct comparison to the 3090, this video features the first Titan up against the 3090. Pay attention to the Wattage numbers for the GPU and CPU. The CPU numbers may be pretty surprising. But this is the result of spitting out such high frame rates. If you stick to 4K then this may drop the CPU Wattage down a bit.
I don't want to go the full liquid route as that requires too much maintenance (changing out cooling solution, etc) and risk of leaking. I do use a liquid closed-loop AIO for the CPU.
Yes, I use AIO for the CPU...GPU is air-cooled. Going full liquid, as in all those pipes and whatnot that need to be maintained and changed reqularly, scares me. I also don't overclock.
Yes, I don't care about frame rates above 60. My current monitor is a 34" 60Hz 21:9 3440 x 1440 (it's beautiful to game on) and I have a 32" 60Hz Asus Predator 3840 x 2160 sitting collecting dust on a shelf ever since CyberPunk came out. I game at top graphics or I don't bother with the game (even modded above stock top graphics...you should see my Skyrim install), so I'm used to 30fps even. If I can actually game at 60, it would be a massive win. Anything above that I really couldn't care less about. I don't play first-person shooters.
My tower is (unfortunately) located on my desk less than 2' away from me, which is a concern in terms of the space-heating element, but c'est la vie...I can't put it any place else due to catscatscatscatscats. At least it's not up against a wall or on the floor or behind something where it can't get air circulation. And I do have a dedicated room a/c (you don't want to know what my electric bill is in the summer).
...this is why I am contemplating an RTX A5000 as it uses 20 W less than my current Titan-X, 230 vs.250 for the titan and 350 for the 3090). So it doesn't have the 10K+ cores ("only" 8,192) but is far less demanding on the PSU and system as well as is designed for extended peak operation.
This is also why I am thinking of going for a Quadro card as they are designed for the type of work we all do compared to the gaming GPU's.. Also for when we are not doing rendering, Quadro cards can also game as well..
The gist of the article below is if you intend on heavy work loads such as rendering first and entertainment second then a Quadro card is very capable.. And as you said the Quadros are so much better for what we do, if one can afford one that is..
https://www.gamingscan.com/can-you-use-an-nvidia-quadro-for-gaming/
...given the fact it will probably be difficult to near impossible to get a 3090 FE anymore, the A5000 will be the next best choice as most of the other versions are marked up from the 1,500$ MSRP (the EGVA the most at 1,900$ MSRP).
Again the benefit the A5000 is a dual slot card with the same dimensions as my Titan-X and consumes 120w less tan the 3090 at peak so I don't need to get a beefier PSU.
I used to not care too much about frame rates until I actually got a monitor capable of doing more than 60. Now that I have a screen that can do 144 fps, to me it really does make a difference. It doesn't have to be a first person game, either, although those probably do see the most benefits. I don't play a ton of racing games but it is noticeable, though it may not seem clear at first, I can feel a difference even if I can't see it. I am not a stickler for it though, if a game is "just" 60 I will not freak out about it. I grew up playing games like Perfect Dark, which famously ran at terrible frame rates.
Anyway, you can cap your games at 60 and that will keep both GPU and CPU more in line in terms of Wattage, also saving some heat. There are benefits to running above 60 even when the screen can only do 60, it impacts latency. But if you are not playing games that demand quick fingers then capping at 60 would work well. While the 3090 uses a lot of power, Ampere is still actually decent at efficiency. They just clocked the things sky high to ensure they stayed ahead of AMD. The 3090 can pretty much play every game at 60 with plenty of power to spare, so capping it at 60 will likely reduce the power use drastically in many games.
I suppose that is something to consider. You can downclock the GPU and undervolt to tame the 3090's hunger. There are numerous guides on the process. This is really the main reason why the A5000/6000 use less power than their gaming counterparts. While binning may help a little, the Quadros are clocked lower and use slightly slower GDDR6.
I got my Nvidia 3090 close to msrp before the craze went into effect. I suspect it was bitcoin mining in China that did it, but this is speculation. I think that the govt in China has cracked down on bitcoin in China so we can start seeing prices fall on Nvidia video cards. Consequently, my advice is to just be patient and don't pay over retail. I also know for a fact that you don't need a high end card to get great renders out of Blender. I have a older amd treadripper that just kills in Blender.
If it's not sold directly from amazon, then you are dealing with a scalper, period! You're gonna get ripped off if you spend that much for a 3090, you'd do well to wait, and get the card from best buy as there you're guaranteed MSRP unless you have money to burn and you're just supporting scalpers!
EDIT: If you're gonna blow that kind of money it would be better spent on a titan class GPU instead!
Wow thats judgemental, every vendor on Amazon who isn't Amazon is crooked? Amazon themselves aren't exactly squeeky clean either.
Yes it is indeed judgmental, I would suggest that you visit the reddit subs if you want to see some real horror stories, (Particularly at newegg) and yes amazon themselves aren't clean, but at least you can get most items from them at MSRP, 90% of 3rd party sellers on both newegg and amazon scalp prices on most goods for sale as well as PC parts!
The positive ratings do not take into account the heavily inflated prices well over MSRP, sure 3rd party sellers were a great alternative years ago, but that was the past, not the present!
LOL have you read some of the horror stories here about broken products and the length of time it takes to fix them, the mess that the store is in the frequent sales and offers that don't work and yet people still seem to trust Daz and shop here. All stories on the internet aren't necassarily true.