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Me too. Hope they get the hint, although I think my signature is a very BIG hint. LOL
Thanks. I wouldn't (and haven't) done it for a buck or so anyway. But a serious difference? There's always the nuclear option of returning for a refund and then putting it on the wishlist for a future sale.
Today Daz has a great gift for us: Daz Originals in worth of $25 for free. There are no conditions, the coupon is usable twice and there are 4640 items in the selection. Thank you very much, Daz.
Me too! Plus a few other things that were shouty capitals...
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To be fair, some of us actually do. My business is based around Daz content, and I pay our mortgage and buy our food from it. I only buy very high quality HD items, so all of the older stuff is of no use to me. Everything I buy has to pay for itself, and (as I said in the questionnaire) if I buy a $40 outfit I'd better be able to wear it myself. :D
Kaiya_Kazue thanks for pointing that out, I missed the fine print so now used it again
Don't know when/if DAZ will recognize that current sales tactics do harm their sales - at least regaring my spendings.
First of all: todays Leprechaun bundle is nice, has quite some content (11 items) and offers a good discount compared to getting the single items already.
On the other hand:
- One must buy a second item to get the bundle from $60,84 (only bundle in cart) to $52,12 - but that does increase the overall cart price.
- There is no incentive coming with it other than you might get (very few) further products cheaper but the bundle price won't be affected.
So I start analyzing the bundle for products I do not need (bye bye poses and HDRIs), products I might have in other forms (bye bye hats), products I probably will hardly use (bye bye FX) and products I might be able to substitute (bye bye Evil Leprechaun - maybe mixing Leprechaun with Joe Crockett characters I already own will bring me near).
Result: I might stick with just Leprechaun, the Outfit, the Beard/Brows and the Green Water Shaders for a total of $32,05 and have some spare cash to invest in Grab Bag, but there I also might run that game and go from 10+ items (to hit that $2,99-mark and $30 total) to just one or two items for a max of $4-$8.
Today you can effectively get 6 items for $1.99 and 4 for $2.99.
Here's how I worked that out. Buy 10 for $2.99 each. (By the way more HD add ons today, good value). Use the free voucher, accepting that those items would be the kind of items to be included at $2.99 anyway, so thats 2 free (thanks DAZ). Now you've saved $6, so 4 of those items cost $1.99 not $2.99.
I'm happy in my pretend $1.99 world. That is all for now. :)
Thanks for reminding us of that. I'm the same in that I only want the very best content, but it's very, very different in that this is just a hobby.
If you need HD characters, then Daz, for whatever reason, has a monopoly, so you have to pay what they ask. Fortunately, beyond characters, I'm finding some fantastic products elsewhere now, and although it could be my imagination, I think seeing more frequent sales too, on items that were cheaper to start with.
Some further thoughts once someone is only interested in the bundle:
- Having the bundle and the St Patricks's Day props in the cart sets the props to 0$ but the bundle stays at $60.84
- Adding a breakout item (like the outfit hat) brings the bundle to $52.12. The breakout itmes cost you $3.76 but you still save $5
Crazy.
To be completely fair I would guess that the hobbyist artist market is the bulk of their business. And by hobbyist I mean that people are very serious about their art, and want the best models for it, but don't depend on it as a major source of income.
I just think that whoever was in charge of these changes 1) doesn't understand/isn't part of the customer base, and 2) hasn't done the proper market research to understand it. Surely the main base of Daz buyers aren't buying into that thing where you pay for an unseen grab bag of stuff each month. Just judging by this thread, a lot of people aren't happy about pricing and won't/can't pay for items like they used to. I just think that they heard us all make statements like "I'm totally addicted to buying Daz models, it's out of control, haha" which we all make. Hey, sometimes it's retail therapy, I admit it. They took those statements and translated it to "people will buy our product no matter how much we jack up the prices" which just isn't true, especially now when everyone is short of excess cash.
I'm also looking elsewhere, but it takes more work to watch for sales, check on new product, etc. (That's something I do every morning on the Daz site.) Adding third-party content to Daz is also daunting for some people. But it's something that we'll all do a lot more of. It just feels as though there's no reward for brand loyalty, which stings a bit - that's really what I consider things like the March Madness sale to be.
OK, unless they are using it specifically to make a living
For me, in the last few days, the grab bag's had very few must-have's, but it's been full of might-be-nice-to-have's.
If there's every a catch up I think I won't have any trouble finding 10 :)
This. I don't make a living creating images but it pays the mortgage and I'm doing it on a professional level. I do freelance so if my costs go up I cut back. The agency I work with does not increase their payments to me if my overhead increases.
This means I need a return on my investment and the jump in pricing with Daz has effectively become a losing proposition.
I can use the new Leprechaun but not at $60! I don't need everything in the bundle so I can't justify paying for items I don't need, even if it's supposed to be an "introductory bargain." If I pick individual items from the bundle I can use, it's still almost $40.
For me to sell seasonal artwork, I need lead time and since it's too late for this year, there is no reason to get it now. Into the wishlist they go and hopefully they will be reasonably priced in the future.
So... Daz... why do you always have to have these all-or-nothing bundles? Why can't I pick 3 items from the bundle for X dollars, or 4 items for Y, etc. Since you backed off on some of the price increases, it's evident that you were falling short of revenue expectations (Because there's no reason to lower prices if people were still buying). I'm just one more testimonial here that you're getting $0 from me today when you could have something.
would you belive i cannot find 2 items i want out of that free stuff?
Join the club! I'll have to get some things I don't want! But I appreciate the sentiment :)
Ouch! Can't you even pick up a couple of items "Just in case they are useful in the future"? I can usually fool my brain with that old line.
I'll find something! Probably some clothing or hair I can try and re-texture. It's free after all!
Spending "just" a couple of dollars a day will end up costing you OVER A THOUSAND DOLLARS a year. That's $5000 in 5 years. In 5 years the products you buy now are going to look like the products from 5 years ago look today.
I believe they're talking about the 25 dollars in free items in the sale today, so free in five years is still free but, I completely agree, the products will look like something from five years ago.
Agreed on some assets like environments, but people and clothes - I'm still buying V4/M4. They are well out of date by todays standards, but still useful to me as I use low poly versions of them as background characters and make use of my large gen 4 animation library, which can be converted up to the latest characters if need be.
Also we only live for a finite time. I need assets to work with now. I am making animations now. If I keep waiting year on year so that the quality looks better and better, I am not practising now.
One of the great saving graces of this pursuit is that we are all being dragged upwards in quality due to the increasing quality of the assets and power of our machines. As long as we keep buying then the money is there for development / improvement and the happy cycle continues.
I'm old enough to be in dreamland anyway in terms of quality, so I am grateful.
I say keep spending, keep funding the industry, keep attending those "3d asset anonymous" meetings to calm your addiction - "Hi, my name's xxxx, and I'm a 3d asset addict - my last purchase was ..... today!"
365 * $2 = $730, unless your couples are bigamous.
It means if you buy a grab bag item for $4.99 and it goes down to $2.99 the next day you’re not supposed to get a refund. Or if something has an intro price of 20% off yesterday and is now 30% off today, no refund. Which is why I’m barely buying anything anymore. With this new policy I’m probably never going to buy anything over $2.99 unless I really need it.
That's $922 Canadian dollars, plus 365 credit card and PayPal transaction fees. It's over $1000 for me and every other Canadian who shops here. Generally speaking, the US does more trade with Canada than with all the countries in Europe combined.
NFT collectors are all about, well, collecting so I’m wondering if some newer people at DAZ or in marketing think that’s why we shop here. In a sense, many of us do collect, but items we hope to actually use in art, not just randomized sellable tradable items like NFTs. Many people buy randomized NFTs sight unseen as part of a collection and want to show them off which is obviously (to us) not at all what DAZ customers are looking for when they create art.
Renderosity has done grab bag sales where you get a FREE EXTRA randomized unseen item with purchase but it’s crazy to think people here would pay for a product sight unseen or care about things like forum badges or collect ALL products in a Zodiac or Knight collection just for the sake of collecting them if they don’t fit into our art. Now it seems they are trying to show the NFP collectors how they can bring their NFP (DAZ character) into DS and use it and alter it just the way we use all our normal characters, presumably to resell as an NFP but the other assets would not be usable in another 3D NFT per EULA so I’m not sure what they are doing. Are they trying to turn NFT buyers into artists or just getting them to collect products they can use as avatars in 2D but not make into 3D NFTs or just collect products to sit on their computer? I just don’t understand the marketing plan anymore. I used to think the DAZ marketing team were marketing geniuses, but not anymore.
I put a LOT of extra things in the OTHER box of the questionnaire. I hope others do too. Especially about the new pricing policy of no refunds of price differences within 30 days.
OK, but if you say dollars on a US site it is liely to be read as US dollars - there is no implicit equivalence between CAD and USD just because they are both called "dollars", anymore than there is between USD and GBP or EUR.
AUD is 70 USD on a good day lately so that adds up fast
Looking through all the Pot-o-gold offerings...
I remember when you had to be Stonemason good to charge over $20 for something. :D
Inflation has been rough over the past couple of years... I can't blame anyone for raising their prices so they can earn a living wage.